Following the Coronavirus (COVID-19) Outbreak - News and Discussion

newkidontheblock · Post by **newkidontheblock** » Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:21 pm

yongchi wrote:That doc tweets a lot of info on masks, including surgical masks.

Since you were able to find the information, I am assuming it’s now publicly available.

Publicly available methods that kill the coronavirus on masks.

Dry, hot heat. Home ovens can be used. BUT, the mask (and straps) must be hung NOT touching the rack, at 70 centigrade.

Ultraviolet C light. Not UV A or UV B. Must be UV C. Either from a hand held lamp or in a box. Do not look directly at UV C, it will burn out your eyes.

Do NOT use bleach, washing, or ozone to clean masks. These will eliminate the electrostatic charge and break down the fibers that make up the mask.

Since Mainland China can’t be sued in a class action lawsuit, I suspect the US government will be sued as a proxy. The US government was sued for all the death and destruction from the Tsunami that destroyed Phuket. Why? The litigants stated that they can’t sue God, so they are suing the US government instead.

Suriname is on the same continent as Ecuador. I sure hope that Khmer lady with the 2 kids who followed the crazy foreigner selling krama are OK.

Don’t believe the low numbers in Cambodia. First most Khmer won’t want to be tested due to social stigma. The rich Khmer will seek treatment not in Cambodia (maybe China). The poor will flee to the provinces. Advanced ventilators, prone therapy, Heliox, ECMO isn’t widely available in country. Khmer will die and be cremated.

The world will get through this. Modern society will not end. New iPhones will be released. Visa on demand will return.

Please be safe out there.

Sorry for such a long winded post.

Stinkman · Post by **Stinkman** » Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:28 pm

Captain Bonez wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:14 am
CEOCambodiaNews wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:09 am
Can't fix stupid

Just so we get the CEO mindset clear, I once made a one word joke about two Khmer criminals (caught by police while sleeping in the same bed) as being gay, and multiple posters immediately jump in with their moralizing "who cares if they're gay or not, let's not gay-shame people".

But multiple posters routinely insult the mere thought of others holding personal religious beliefs...and not a single poster takes umbrage with that. As long as it's an insult against Christians that is. That's apparently acceptable. Had anyone said Muslims were "stupid" for their faith, the same morally righteous outrage mob here would shit themselves. Such a bigoted anti-Islam post would be deleted and the poster banned.

Captain Bonez · Post by **Captain Bonez** » Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:09 pm

That's because believing in imaginary dudes living in the clouds is retarded. Homophobia is straight up uncool, man.

Kung-fu Hillbilly · Post by **Kung-fu Hillbilly** » Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:28 pm

Stinkman wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:28 pm
I once made a one word joke about two Khmer criminals (caught by police while sleeping in the same bed) as being gay, and multiple posters immediately jump in with their moralizing.

But multiple posters routinely insult the mere thought of others holding personal religious beliefs.

Because being gay isn't a choice - believing in primitive fairy tales is.

CEOCambodiaNews · Post by **CEOCambodiaNews** » Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:29 am

April 7, 2020 / 4:01 AM / Updated 30 minutes ago
Special Report: Doctors embrace drug touted by Trump for COVID-19, without hard evidence it works
Michael Erman, Deena Beasley

13 Min Read

NEW YORK/LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - The decades-old drug that President Donald Trump has persistently promoted as a potential weapon against COVID-19 has within a matter of weeks become a standard of care in areas of the United States hit hard by the pandemic — though doctors prescribing it have no idea whether it works.
A woman holds a hydroxychloroquine prescription in Seattle, Washington, U.S. March 31, 2020. REUTERS/Lindsey Wasson

Doctors and pharmacists from more than half a dozen large healthcare systems in New York, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Ohio, Washington and California told Reuters they are routinely using hydroxychloroquine on patients hospitalized with COVID-19. At the same time, several said they have seen no evidence that the drug, used for years to treat malaria and autoimmune disorders, has any effect on the virus.

Use of hydroxychloroquine has soared as the United States has quickly become the epicenter of the pandemic. More than 355,000 people in the United States have tested positive for the novel coronavirus, and more than 10,000 have died. The federal government estimates that as many as 240,000 people in the country may die from the disease before the outbreak is over.

Facing those numbers, and in the absence of any known effective treatments, doctors on the frontlines said they began using hydroxychloroquine and the related chloroquine on patients who are deteriorating based on a few small studies suggesting a possible benefit. Some said they had come under pressure from patients to use the therapies widely touted by Trump and other supporters.

“I may take it,” Trump said on Saturday, referring to hydroxychloroquine, though he has twice tested negative for coronavirus, according to the White House. “We’re just hearing really positive stories, and we’re continuing to collect the data.”

Potential side effects of hydroxychloroquine include vision loss and heart problems. But doctors interviewed by Reuters say they are comfortable prescribing the drug for a short course of several days for coronavirus patients because the risks are relatively low and the therapies are inexpensive and generally available.

However, protocols directing how these drugs should be used vary from one hospital to another, including when to introduce them and whether to combine them with other drugs. In addition, some studies showing promise involve patients who took the therapies for mild or early-stage illness. Many of those people are likely to recover from the virus on their own.
Full article: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN21O2VO

Anchor Moy · Post by **Anchor Moy** » Tue Apr 07, 2020 2:38 pm

Can we keep on topic and not fk up the whole thread with personal remarks.

A number of religious gatherings (involving many countries and many religions) have created hot-spots for the spread of coronavirus. This is fact and not opinion. Criticizing religious sects or cults who refuse to contribute to social distancing is valid, because there is statistical proof that these gatherings have been spreading the virus. This is not an attack on religion, it is a call for religious leaders to get their shit together and get with the programme.

WildA · Post by **WildA** » Tue Apr 07, 2020 4:25 pm

CEOCambodiaNews wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:29 am April 7, 2020 / 4:01 AM / Updated 30 minutes ago
Special Report: Doctors embrace drug touted by Trump for COVID-19, without hard evidence it works
Michael Erman, Deena Beasley

13 Min Read

NEW YORK/LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - The decades-old drug that President Donald Trump has persistently promoted as a potential weapon against COVID-19 has within a matter of weeks become a standard of care in areas of the United States hit hard by the pandemic — though doctors prescribing it have no idea whether it works.
A woman holds a hydroxychloroquine prescription in Seattle, Washington, U.S. March 31, 2020. REUTERS/Lindsey Wasson

Doctors and pharmacists from more than half a dozen large healthcare systems in New York, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Ohio, Washington and California told Reuters they are routinely using hydroxychloroquine on patients hospitalized with COVID-19. At the same time, several said they have seen no evidence that the drug, used for years to treat malaria and autoimmune disorders, has any effect on the virus.

Use of hydroxychloroquine has soared as the United States has quickly become the epicenter of the pandemic. More than 355,000 people in the United States have tested positive for the novel coronavirus, and more than 10,000 have died. The federal government estimates that as many as 240,000 people in the country may die from the disease before the outbreak is over.

Facing those numbers, and in the absence of any known effective treatments, doctors on the frontlines said they began using hydroxychloroquine and the related chloroquine on patients who are deteriorating based on a few small studies suggesting a possible benefit. Some said they had come under pressure from patients to use the therapies widely touted by Trump and other supporters.

“I may take it,” Trump said on Saturday, referring to hydroxychloroquine, though he has twice tested negative for coronavirus, according to the White House. “We’re just hearing really positive stories, and we’re continuing to collect the data.”

Potential side effects of hydroxychloroquine include vision loss and heart problems. But doctors interviewed by Reuters say they are comfortable prescribing the drug for a short course of several days for coronavirus patients because the risks are relatively low and the therapies are inexpensive and generally available.

However, protocols directing how these drugs should be used vary from one hospital to another, including when to introduce them and whether to combine them with other drugs. In addition, some studies showing promise involve patients who took the therapies for mild or early-stage illness. Many of those people are likely to recover from the virus on their own.
Full article: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN21O2VO

Bullshit propaganda.

phuketrichard · Post by **phuketrichard** » Tue Apr 07, 2020 5:05 pm

thinking outloud:

This is a virus and as such,for most virus's a vaccine will be found, eventually,( they say 12-18 months)
Will the travel industry be shut down this long? It can't go back to the way it was BC, ( Before Corona)
Will the worlds travelers be need vaccinated against this virus?
Will this mean a reintroduction of the infamous Yellowcard, ( what we needed to show that we were vaccinated against yellow fever) needed to travel, that some of us had in the 70's?

Once the vaccine is found
it will need be tested for a few months, distributed, people will need get it, how will they prove they are not a threat to others? A new yellow card ( a new color prehaps?) will need be printed, distributed to the clinics/drs that give the shots.

Many of the places that were open months ago will have closed, many will be able to re open, BUT will need new staff as many of the staff would have gone home and found new jobs. I am already, here in Phuket, seeing more than a few for sale/rent signs going up, where 3 months ago there were businesses.
Many wont open, so good opportunity for new businesses to get a foot hold, IF they have the $$$. But it will take deep pockets to survive till the travel industry gets back on its feet.

Landlords for all those closing business will be in very deep debt, if they can hold on, otherwise the banks will take all the properties.

Vaccination cards in hand, the first ones to start traveling again will be the independent "backpackers" and business travelers. Same as the 60-early 80's
The middle class,"suitcase" travelers, wont be around for at least 18-24 months. They would have lost their jobs and had to find new ones or if they were lucky will only be in debt, so vacations are out for awhile.
Could it be like the late 70's again??

Mass tourism will take at least 2 high seasons to get back on its feet..

In SE Asia; Places like Nepal, Cambodia, Bali, Thailand will be hurt the hardest as they all depend on mass tourism.
But saying that, places like Laos, Burma, Thailand and Cambodia might recover quicker, thou at the lower end as the independent traveler's will be hitting these places.. The big expensive, resorts an hotels that employ thousands will be in trouble for awhile.
Living on a tourist island, that depends on mass tourism, i can see how badly this will affect tens of thousands of people

Doom an gloom? Perhaps, or maybe just a time to reflect on how we want tourism to really proceed..

Just thinking outloud

Doc67 · Post by **Doc67** » Tue Apr 07, 2020 5:41 pm

These stats are not encouraging. The article is dated 30th March so well out of date as far as numbers. But from the limited numbers at the time it seems if you end up in ICU your odds are getting very dicey and if you end up on mechanical ventilation you have a 66% chance of death. NON Covid-19 patients have a 64% chance of survival.

I just heard a doctor on the radio a doctor saying that if Boris Johnson needs full intubation, given his age and health and strength, he would, "have a better than 50/50 chance of survival". 50/50? Sod that. I'm staying in even more now.

With Michael Gove now in self isolation and the caretaker Prime Minister Dominic Raab looking like a stunned mullet at the daily bullshit briefing, the UK Government is on life support too and that doesn't bode well.

"Probably the best published information we have so far is from the Intensive Care National Audit and Research Center (ICNARC) in the UK. Of 165 patients admitted to ICUs, 79 (48%) died. Of the 98 patients who received advanced respiratory support—defined as invasive ventilation, BPAP or CPAP via endotracheal tube, or tracheostomy, or extracorporeal respiratory support—66% died."

https://www.physiciansweekly.com/mortal ... ntilators/

Phnom Poon · Post by **Phnom Poon** » Tue Apr 07, 2020 5:54 pm

but i would bet that most who end up in expensive ICUs really need it
rather than as 'just a precaution'

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