newkidontheblock wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:24 am ....
In the 50s/ early 60s, cigarettes were good for you, and plastic and asbestos were de facto miracle solutions. Corporate propaganda. Old generation bought into it

....
[/quote]

Now the corporate propaganda is AI and robotics.

Multipox wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:50 pm

pczz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:14 am ....
Sorry but i don't buy all this save the planet stuff. for the simple reason that its the number of people causing the problem. We are way beyond sustainable levels of human population. ....

Actually the overpopulation scare is not true.

In about 2030-2050, the population will top out at @ 10 billion.
This is because the world population will become richer and women will have fewer children.
We are already seeing this: college enrolments in industrialized countries are declining because women are having fewer children because they are working.
Parents in developing countries will need fewer children to care for them when they are old.

levelling out when its already at least 30% too high does not help.
Look at developemnt pressure on the green belt in uk, or holland or the pressure on forest here. you cannot have people an nature when the people swamp the environment, take all the water, chop down all the trees for cooking or clearing fields. There are some area of the planet not yet overpopulated but thye are getting ferer day by day

Drinks bottles now biggest plastic menace for waterways – report
Plastic bags only 1% of plastic in freshwater after sustained efforts to reduce their use
Fiona Harvey Environment correspondent
Mon 8 Apr 2019 00.01 BST

Plastic bottles, the detritus of our throwaway water and soft drinks habits, are the most prevalent form of plastic pollution in European waterways, according to a new report.

Food wrappers, including crisp and sweet packets, were the second biggest form of plastic pollution in rivers, followed by cigarette butts. All of these forms of litter can cause problems for wildlife and fish, and are hard to clean up once they have found their way into the water.

Plastic bags were found to make up only 1% of plastic rubbish in freshwater, reflecting years of efforts to reduce their use, including charges on them in the UK and many other European countries.

Consumers should be more aware of what they can do to prevent the fouling of waterways, from using cotton buds with paper sticks to binning wet wipes instead of flushing them, and bringing their own receptacles for food takeaways, according to the Plastic Rivers report from Earthwatch Europe and Plastic Oceans UK.

“The products we buy every day are contributing to the problem of ocean plastic,” said Jo Ruxton, chief executive of Plastic Oceans UK. “Our discarded plastic enters rivers from litter generated by our on-the-go lifestyle and items we flush down toilets. This throwaway approach is having much more serious consequences and the report shows really simple ways to avoid this problem and stop plastic pollution.”

Although most attention on the plastic scourge has focused on the plight of oceans, about 80% of plastic rubbish flows into them from rivers. Many experts believe that focusing on the clean-up of rivers is the best way to choke off the flow of existing rubbish into seas, while the ultimate source of the problem – our dependence on throwaway plastic products – is tackled.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ays-report

I see several of these every day bringing polystyrene plates, cups and containers from Vietnam and many of those polystyrene containers go back to Vietnam via the Mekong river. I guess that's what they call is recycling in Cambodia.

pczz wrote:

Multipox wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:50 pm

pczz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:14 am ....
Sorry but i don't buy all this save the planet stuff. for the simple reason that its the number of people causing the problem. We are way beyond sustainable levels of human population. ....

Actually the overpopulation scare is not true.

In about 2030-2050, the population will top out at @ 10 billion.
This is because the world population will become richer and women will have fewer children.
We are already seeing this: college enrolments in industrialized countries are declining because women are having fewer children because they are working.
Parents in developing countries will need fewer children to care for them when they are old.

levelling out when its already at least 30% too high does not help.
Look at developemnt pressure on the green belt in uk, or holland or the pressure on forest here. you cannot have people an nature when the people swamp the environment, take all the water, chop down all the trees for cooking or clearing fields. There are some area of the planet not yet overpopulated but thye are getting ferer day by day

Thomas Malthus in 1798 (that’s right just before 1800) said the planet was overpopulated. And doom and gloom would follow - catastrophic end of the earth due to overpopulation.

300 hundred years on, people are still here, the earth is still here.

I believe mankind will solve these problems. Have faith in humanity.

newkidontheblock wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:16 pm

pczz wrote:

Multipox wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:50 pm

pczz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:14 am ....
Sorry but i don't buy all this save the planet stuff. for the simple reason that its the number of people causing the problem. We are way beyond sustainable levels of human population. ....

Actually the overpopulation scare is not true.

In about 2030-2050, the population will top out at @ 10 billion.
This is because the world population will become richer and women will have fewer children.
We are already seeing this: college enrolments in industrialized countries are declining because women are having fewer children because they are working.
Parents in developing countries will need fewer children to care for them when they are old.

levelling out when its already at least 30% too high does not help.
Look at developemnt pressure on the green belt in uk, or holland or the pressure on forest here. you cannot have people an nature when the people swamp the environment, take all the water, chop down all the trees for cooking or clearing fields. There are some area of the planet not yet overpopulated but thye are getting ferer day by day

Thomas Malthus in 1798 (that’s right just before 1800) said the planet was overpopulated. And doom and gloom would follow - catastrophic end of the earth due to overpopulation.

300 hundred years on, people are still here, the earth is still here.

I believe mankind will solve these problems. Have faith in humanity.

Thomas Malthus in 1798 (that’s right just before 1800) said the planet was overpopulated. And doom and gloom would follow - catastrophic end of the earth due to overpopulation.



His problem was he spoke his words many years too early.
If he was here today , most people would agree with him.

we would want to "save the planet" if we wanted humankind to survive.