Child Brutally Murdered for a Honda Dream

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Re: Child Brutally Murdered for a Honda Dream

Post by fatuousdrivel » Fri Jul 27, 2018 11:22 am

that genius wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 7:11 am
bolueeleh wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 6:44 am
it is not terrible times, coz it didnt change much fm last, when ppl r poor, life is cheap, until most ppl r lifted out of poverty then do they realise that there is much more to live for
I agree with some of what you say, but there are millions of poor people who do not resort to this. It's also about upbringing. The value of life is abused way more by rich people than by poor people.

Shit like this makes me want to bring the death penalty back. At least the state (and the parents of the dead child) wouldn't have to pay for these two scumbags to spend 10 years plus in prison.
The trouble with that is the perps have parents too so now three families suffer the loss of their children.

Not saying I disagree but there’s far reaching consequences.
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Re: Child Brutally Murdered for a Honda Dream

Post by StroppyChops » Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:20 pm

fatuousdrivel wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 11:22 am
that genius wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 7:11 am
bolueeleh wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 6:44 am
it is not terrible times, coz it didnt change much fm last, when ppl r poor, life is cheap, until most ppl r lifted out of poverty then do they realise that there is much more to live for
I agree with some of what you say, but there are millions of poor people who do not resort to this. It's also about upbringing. The value of life is abused way more by rich people than by poor people.

Shit like this makes me want to bring the death penalty back. At least the state (and the parents of the dead child) wouldn't have to pay for these two scumbags to spend 10 years plus in prison.
The trouble with that is the perps have parents too so now three families suffer the loss of their children.

Not saying I disagree but there’s far reaching consequences.
A counter-argument is that kids are the product of their parents, and to a lesser degree their surroundings. Kids of that age simply don't have a capacity for murder (unless they're insane) without something being massively wrong in their life, and in the first instance you'd always look to the parents. Where did the kids get this idea of murdering the boy and stealing his moto? That thought doesn't naturally occur to kids of that age.

Side note - I always contend that it is not a parent's job to be their child's best friend (which is what has led to the millennial snowflake phenomenon in western countries) but to raise functioning, contributing members of society. If the kid likes you, that's a bonus, but liking you or not liking you should never be a currency that your kid can give or take to influencing your parenting of them.
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Re: Child Brutally Murdered for a Honda Dream

Post by fatuousdrivel » Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:34 pm

Maybe, but I’d imagine western ideals don’t work here.

Some people are just evil. Should other family suffer?

Not for me or us to decide that’s for sure.
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Re: Child Brutally Murdered for a Honda Dream

Post by StroppyChops » Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:38 pm

fatuousdrivel wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:34 pm
Maybe, but I’d imagine western ideals don’t work here.

Some people are just evil. Should other family suffer?

Not for me or us to decide that’s for sure.
Can you elaborate on the western ideals part? I'm not sure of your meaning.

Oddly enough I thought the first photo posted in this thread of the girl showed nothing but evil in her eyes, yet she looked completely different in later photos. I don't normally think of people as being evil or good, I think we're all both, and have the capacity to be both at the same time.
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Re: Child Brutally Murdered for a Honda Dream

Post by cptrelentless » Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:44 pm

StroppyChops wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:20 pm
fatuousdrivel wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 11:22 am
that genius wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 7:11 am
bolueeleh wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 6:44 am
it is not terrible times, coz it didnt change much fm last, when ppl r poor, life is cheap, until most ppl r lifted out of poverty then do they realise that there is much more to live for
I agree with some of what you say, but there are millions of poor people who do not resort to this. It's also about upbringing. The value of life is abused way more by rich people than by poor people.

Shit like this makes me want to bring the death penalty back. At least the state (and the parents of the dead child) wouldn't have to pay for these two scumbags to spend 10 years plus in prison.
The trouble with that is the perps have parents too so now three families suffer the loss of their children.

Not saying I disagree but there’s far reaching consequences.
A counter-argument is that kids are the product of their parents, and to a lesser degree their surroundings. Kids of that age simply don't have a capacity for murder (unless they're insane) without something being massively wrong in their life, and in the first instance you'd always look to the parents. Where did the kids get this idea of murdering the boy and stealing his moto? That thought doesn't naturally occur to kids of that age.

Side note - I always contend that it is not a parent's job to be their child's best friend (which is what has led to the millennial snowflake phenomenon in western countries) but to raise functioning, contributing members of society. If the kid likes you, that's a bonus, but liking you or not liking you should never be a currency that your kid can give or take to influencing your parenting of them.
There's something about the inherent culture in the real backwoods of this country where killing things for no reason is just a thing. The kid of one of our builders is considered weird by all the other kids, he's "from the village" as they say. He just randomly kills things like a little psychopath and has zero social skills. His parents aren't abusive, in fact his mother is probably as overly indulgent as any parent of a little shit. He just has no empathy. These kids are most likely the same - they just have no concept of that little kid being something other than an object in the way of the thing they want at that time. It's like that other kid that got murdered by that girl for a shitty little necklace. These murderers have just never been taught not to do this shit.
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Re: Child Brutally Murdered for a Honda Dream

Post by fatuousdrivel » Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:44 pm

StroppyChops wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:38 pm
fatuousdrivel wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:34 pm
Maybe, but I’d imagine western ideals don’t work here.

Some people are just evil. Should other family suffer?

Not for me or us to decide that’s for sure.
Can you elaborate on the western ideals part? I'm not sure of your meaning.

Oddly enough I thought the first photo posted in this thread of the girl showed nothing but evil in her eyes, yet she looked completely different in later photos. I don't normally think of people as being evil or good, I think we're all both, and have the capacity to be both at the same time.
I think it’s self explanatory but I do have my crayons handy...
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Re: Child Brutally Murdered for a Honda Dream

Post by StroppyChops » Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:54 pm

fatuousdrivel wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:44 pm
I think it’s self explanatory but I do have my crayons handy...
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Re: Child Brutally Murdered for a Honda Dream

Post by StroppyChops » Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:06 pm

cptrelentless wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:44 pm
There's something about the inherent culture in the real backwoods of this country where killing things for no reason is just a thing. The kid of one of our builders is considered weird by all the other kids, he's "from the village" as they say. He just randomly kills things like a little psychopath and has zero social skills. His parents aren't abusive, in fact his mother is probably as overly indulgent as any parent of a little shit. He just has no empathy. These kids are most likely the same - they just have no concept of that little kid being something other than an object in the way of the thing they want at that time. It's like that other kid that got murdered by that girl for a shitty little necklace. These murderers have just never been taught not to do this shit.
Fair point. So, like a redneck thing. (If you're a redneck, don't get all huffy, you know I'm right.) Actually we see that to a lesser degree in kids that come to our house that automatically reach out to hit or kick our pets. They (and often their parents) are honestly stunned and confused when we tell them strongly to not do that. We almost always get dirty looks from the parents - how dare we tell their child what not to do in our private home?

Fair warning - I'm going to ramble off into a western context discussion at this point, it's probably going to be TL;DR for many, so "Millennials bad, but it's the parent's fault" will do.

Some years back a gang of young boys kidnapped and brutally tortured a young mentally handicapped boy before killing him, which caused "shock and moral outrage" in the Western Australian community. One of the acts that brought the event to world attention was that they stuffed the kid's anus with D-cell batteries. Some argued that the attackers came from good families with good parents, yadda yadda, but I think that over indulgence you mention is as damaging as abuse or lack of care. "I've never been denied anything in my life, and my mother takes care of any problems I create without correcting me, so why SHOULDN'T I kill this little mental kid?"

My son was raised by his mother (by mutual agreement as we separated) on the condition that she would support him coming to live with me if he ever expressed a desire to do so, and that visitation be respected. He joined Mrs Stroppy and I when he was 15 and we set some expectations early. I told him that it was my job to ensure he had everything he needed, and only some of what he wanted. He was stunned at this, argued it aggressively, and questioned his recent life choices about who he'd live with. He was adamant that it was my job to give him everything he wanted, and honestly couldn't conceptualise why I didn't automatically agree with that.

I truly believe that the kid who wants for nothing, never understands what it is to actually want something.
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Re: Child Brutally Murdered for a Honda Dream

Post by fatuousdrivel » Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:18 pm

That’s not really a fair example unless you’re acknowledging you were an errant father, even if it was by mutual agreement. Did your son agree?

You can’t really blame him for being who or what he is if his dad wasn’t around. Males need that bond more than females, and step-dads don’t count.

Not very Christian of you.
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Re: Child Brutally Murdered for a Honda Dream

Post by StroppyChops » Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:45 pm

fatuousdrivel wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:18 pm
Not very Christian of you.
There may come a time when you realise I ignore everything you say before or after this line, as it tells me you're just trolling. Which is sad, as you quite often have meaningful and insightful things to say, which I'd otherwise engage with. Your recurring theme doesn't bother me in the least, and if I am different to other Christians you may know I'll own and celebrate that, but honestly can't be bothered with you if you think that's actually a meaningful criticism. It's lazy and easy - surely you can do better.
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