Hotel sues Las Vegas mass shooting victims

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The lawsuit does not seek money from these claimants. It seeks a declaration from a federal judge that an obscure federal anti-terrorism law bars these claims because MGM or its event contractor followed some designated anti-terrorism protocols. I don't know much about this federal law or how terrorism is defined, but I see this as a mass murder, not an act of terrorism for political purposes designed to instill fear in the public at large.

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This was my understanding as well.

I thought for it to be classed as terrorism it needed to be politically motivated or something like that. If they still have no motive about this shooting then how can they claim it to be terrorism.

While the act itself would be classed as terrorism to normal people the definition in the eye of the law is a completely different matter.




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that genius wrote: Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:55 pm
I don't think it's beyond the bounds of reason to expect a hotel to maintain security and safety in its establishment.

Do you think someone bring in a semi-auto and hundreds of rounds of ammunition might fall into that category?
It would be reasonable to expect that level of security in many countries, but it's difficult in the US/ Nevada.
When there are so many legally owned firearms around it's very hard to spot someone who is about to do a massacre.
The hotel staff probably just thought he was a normal guy who had thousands of rounds of ammunition in his room.
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John Bingham wrote: Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:26 pm
that genius wrote: Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:55 pm
I don't think it's beyond the bounds of reason to expect a hotel to maintain security and safety in its establishment.

Do you think someone bring in a semi-auto and hundreds of rounds of ammunition might fall into that category?
It would be reasonable to expect that level of security in many countries, but it's difficult in the US/ Nevada.
When there are so many legally owned firearms around it's very hard to spot someone who is about to do a massacre.
The hotel staff probably just thought he was a normal guy who had thousands of rounds of ammunition in his room.
Correct, I mean you cannot just go and stop family outings because of a few guns. Second amendment and all that.

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John Bingham wrote: Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:26 pm
that genius wrote: Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:55 pm
I don't think it's beyond the bounds of reason to expect a hotel to maintain security and safety in its establishment.

Do you think someone bring in a semi-auto and hundreds of rounds of ammunition might fall into that category?
It would be reasonable to expect that level of security in many countries, but it's difficult in the US/ Nevada.
When there are so many legally owned firearms around it's very hard to spot someone who is about to do a massacre.
The hotel staff probably just thought he was a normal guy who had thousands of rounds of ammunition in his room.
It's not uncommon for people to absentmindedly leave guns in Las Vegas hotels rooms when checking out of the room.
It's also not uncommon for them to leave frozen burritos in the in room safes - because they thought it was a microwave oven.
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that genius wrote: Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:55 pm
jmagic wrote: Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:51 pm Ok, so if you rent out a room in your home, and from that room the tenant shoots me. Should you have to pay me?
I don't think it's beyond the bounds of reason to expect a hotel to maintain security and safety in its establishment.

Do you think someone bring in a semi-auto and hundreds of rounds of ammunition might fall into that category?
Yes, a paying guest or visiting gambler should expect to be safe in the hotel, but the victims were not on hotel grounds. It seems the concert organizers would be more to blame in this case.
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What a load of crap you yanks go on with.
The only person responsible was the fuckwit who pulled the trigger.
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Cam Nivag wrote: Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:34 pm
I think MGM could assert the federal law as a defense in lawsuits filed in California and Nevada state courts, but they don't want to do that. At least in Clark County, Nevada, judges are elected. They don't like making high profile decisions that could be unpopular, then they might be voted out. They tend to be very wishy-washy and like to avoid making any tough decisions.

Also, state court judges in Nevada tend to be pro-plaintiff. Many of them are former plaintiff lawyers and solo practitioners who represented the poor, the downtrodden, the injured, the criminally accused, and those clients generally don't have a lot of money and unless you're really successful at representing them, it's hard to pay the bills. So they run for judge, because being a judge pays $100,000 a year plus benefits. They then ask for donations both from hotel-casinos and law firms to fund their campaigns. And Robert Eglet, who is representing the shooting victims and who is a wildly successful plaintiff's lawyer in Las Vegas, wisely donates a lot of money to judges.
Who ever thought this is a good system?! Always amazes me how openly corrupt America is while somehow keeping a (relatively) clean image in the world.
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Arget wrote: Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:53 am What a load of crap you yanks go on with.
The only person responsible was the fuckwit who pulled the trigger.
Agreed, in any normal society that would be the case.......
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cptrelentless wrote: Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:01 pm
Josh_76 wrote: Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:28 pm
armchairlawyer wrote: Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:00 pm It's all to do with forum selection...
The guy behaved suspiciously over a period of several days and brought in a highly unusual amount of luggage, IMHO the hotel could/should have done more.
Except it wasn't a suspicious amount of luggage. Or any different to the hundreds of other weirdos who frequent Vegas hotels.
Fact: A single guy - not on business, lives in same state - carries more than 10 suitcases up to his suite and not even once when checking in but on a number of trips. That is not normal.

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