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new world order ?

Post by tightenupvolume1 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 3:10 pm

Sunset for Liberal Democracy
Posted: 17 Jun 2018 10:44 PM PDT
The denial of popular sovereignty by mainstream leaders allows demagogues like Trump to pose as democratic champions.


By George Monbiot, published in the Guardian 18th June 2018



He gets almost everything wrong. But last weekend Donald Trump got something right. To the horror of the other leaders of the rich world, he defended democracy against its detractors. Perhaps predictably, he has been universally condemned for it.

His crime was to insist that the North American Free Trade Agreement (Nafta) should have a sunset clause. In other words, it should not remain “valid indefinitely”, but expire after five years, allowing its members either to renegotiate it or to walk away. To howls of execration from the world’s media, his insistence has torpedoed efforts to update the treaty.

In The Rights of Man, published in 1791, Thomas Paine argued that “Every age and generation must be as free to act for itself, in all cases, as the ages and generations which preceded it. The vanity and presumption of governing beyond the grave is the most ridiculous and insolent of all tyrannies.” This is widely accepted – in theory if not in practice – as a basic democratic principle.

Even if the people of the US, Canada and Mexico had explicitly consented to Nafta in 1994, the idea that a decision made then should bind everyone in North America for all time is repulsive. So is the notion, championed by the Canadian and Mexican governments, that any slightly modified version of the deal agreed now should bind all future governments.

As it happens, the people of North America did not explicitly consent to Nafta. They were never asked to vote on the deal, and its bipartisan support ensured that there was little scope for dissent. The huge grassroots resistance in all three nations was ignored or maligned. The deal was fixed between political and commercial elites, and granted immortality.

In seeking to update the treaty, the three countries candidly sought to thwart the will of the people. Their stated intention was to finish the job before Mexico’s presidential election in July. The leading candidate, Andres Lopez Obrador, has expressed hostility to Nafta, so it had to be done before the people cast their vote. They might wonder why so many have lost faith in democracy.

Nafta provides a perfect illustration of why all trade treaties should contain a sunset clause. Provisions that made sense to the negotiators in the early 1990s make no sense to anyone today, except fossil fuel companies and greedy lawyers. The most obvious example is the way in which its rules for investor-state dispute settlement have been interpreted. These clauses (Chapter 11 of the treaty) were supposed to prevent states from unfairly expropriating the assets of foreign companies. But they have spawned a new industry, in which aggressive lawyers discover ever more lucrative means of overriding democracy.

Chapter 11 grants opaque panels of corporate lawyers, meeting behind closed doors, supreme authority over the courts and parliaments of its member states. An investigation by BuzzFeed revealed that such provisions have been used around the world to halt criminal cases, overturn penalties incurred by convicted fraudsters, allow companies to get away with trashing rainforests and poisoning villages, and, by placing foreign businesses above the law, intimidate governments into abandoning public protections.

Under Nafta, these provisions have become, metaphorically and literally, toxic. When Canada tried to ban a fuel additive called MMT, a potentially dangerous neurotoxin, the US manufacturer used Chapter 11 to sue the government. Canada was forced to lift the ban, award the company $13 million in compensation and issue a public apology. After Mexican authorities refused a US corporation permission to build a hazardous waste facility, the company sued before a Nafta panel, and extracted $15 million in compensation. Another US firm, Lone Pine Resources, is currently suing Canada for $118 million, because the government of Québec has banned fracking under the St Lawrence River.

As the US Justice Department woke up to the implications of Chapter 11, BuzzFeed records, it began to panic: it realised that it “could severely undermine our system of justice” and grant foreign companies “more rights than Americans have”. One official noted that “no one thought about this when Nafta implementing law passed.”

Nor did they think about climate breakdown. Nafta obliges Canada not only to export most of its oil and half its natural gas to the US, but also to ensure that the proportion of these fuels produced from tar sands and fracking does not change. It forbids Canada to leave its most polluting fossil fuels in the ground. As a result, the Canadian government cannot adhere to both its commitments under the Paris agreement on climate change and its commitments under the North American Free Trade Agreement. While the Paris commitments are voluntary, Nafta’s are compulsory.

Were such disasters foreseen by the negotiators? If so, the trade agreement was a plot against the people. If not – and the evidence strongly suggests they were not – its unanticipated outcomes are a powerful argument for a sunset clause. The update the US had in mind was also a formula for calamity, that future governments might wish to reverse. But this is likely to be difficult, even impossible, without the threat – currently forbidden – of walking out.

Those who defend the immortality of trade agreements argue that it provides certainty for business. It’s true that there is a conflict between business confidence and democratic freedom. This conflict is repeatedly resolved in favour of business. That the only defender of popular sovereignty in this case is an odious demagogue illustrates the corruption of 21st-century liberal democracy.

There was much rejoicing this week over the photo of Trump being harangued by the other G7 leaders. But when I saw it, I thought, “the stitch-ups engineered by people like you produce people like him.” The machinations of remote elites in forums such as the G7, the IMF and the European Central Bank and the opaque negotiation of unpopular treaties destroy both trust and democratic agency, fuelling the frustration that demagogues exploit.

Trump was right to spike the Trans-Pacific Partnership. He is right to demand a sunset clause for Nafta. When this devious, hollow, self-interested man offers a better approximation of the people’s champion than any other leader, you know democracy is in trouble.

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Re: new world order ?

Post by AmericanSteve » Mon Jun 18, 2018 3:20 pm

We don't need a twat like Donald Trump to tell us NAFTA sucks. We had reasonable and intelligent men saying so all along, men like Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders. I don't know what kind of logical fallacy this article is but it is something. Maybe some kind of straw man argument.

The one and ONLY thing that Trump has done so far praise worthy is reach out to North Korea. Other than that, he is the worst president I've been alive to see.
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Re: new world order ?

Post by that genius » Mon Jun 18, 2018 3:31 pm

'defended democracy'

Jaysus, who writes this inbred hillbilly pigpuke?
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Post by tightenupvolume1 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 3:53 pm

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Re: new world order ?

Post by bolueeleh » Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:19 pm

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Re: new world order ?

Post by tightenupvolume1 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:21 pm

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"Jaysus, who writes this inbred hillbilly pigpuke?"

What ! are you too pissed to read it and then maybe point out what you don't agree with, i am reminded of something my dad said to me when i asked him what opera was he said "2 fat people shouting at each other"

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Re: new world order ?

Post by Gardiguy » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:07 pm

The article offers no evidence that a sunset clause, first of all, caused the break between the 3, and second, is an evidenced, well reasoned, well thought out idea. The issue was that they had agreed on things, THEN, the hero trump came up with the idea of a 5 year sunset clause, delivered by his homeboy pence. Considering these agreements take years to produce and implement, 5 years is silly. While I don't necessarily disagree with the sunset clause, it should be more like a mortgage, 15 to 25 years and not thrown in at the last minute.
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Re: new world order ?

Post by cptrelentless » Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:51 pm

bolueeleh wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:19 pm
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How has he brought peace to Asia? A mountain collapsed on Jong-Un's nuclear techs. He has to dig a new hole and train up new scientists. Also, NK has had many agreements in the past which they pretended to agree to but turned out to be bullshit.
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