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trollJohn Bingham wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2017 7:11 pmYou haven't presented anything except your opinion.AlonzoPartriz wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:54 pm I presented my case for, and you've presented, what i consider to be, a much weaker case against. The onus is on you to present further evidence to support your case.
Again troll. You should look at the sources. They are comprehensive and most are fairly recent.The link to Gunpolicy.org? Their information on estimates on numbers of guns in Cambodia comes from studies published in 2006/7, compiled from earlier data.AlonzoPartriz wrote:And the numbers of privately owned firearms from my 2015/ 16 link above.
It even states the total estimate of weapons destroyed by the government and the two programs you mentioned. The figures are all included in their calculations.
The site is used by all the relevant world authorities and top academics including the UN.
Not aware? I've been reading books on Cambodia and seeing your same old links and other's posts on the boards for years now.Sure, that's why you were completely unaware of the EU Small Arms and Light Weapons, or other similar programs like JSAC's (Japanese Assistance Team for Small Arms Reduction in Cambodia). Your reasearch (sic) probably consisted of you spending 5 minutes this afternoon trying to find anything that would back up your preformed opinion.It's just something that I've been pondering having read the boards over the last few years, and did some reasearch on, as presented above. I'd be more than happy to be proved wrong.
Also, once again, your data is included in the overall estimates of private gun ownership. Troll.
F me You didn't even look at the site I posted. TrollThat was the only report of gun-smuggling into Thailand in a long time. The rest of what you said is pure opinion. I'm sure there are plenty of guns still around, but a fraction of what there was before. Every farmer had an AK in 2000, but not now. The fact that the price of handguns is so high now suggests that they are in short supply.One more point in this is that a lot of illegal gun trading has been going on in Cambodia. More so in recent years apparently.
I would imagine the recent bust in Thailand of the high ranking Cambodian military officer is only the tip of the iceberg.
The categories for smuggled weapons fall into; low, medium and high.
As you can see, Cambodia falls in the high category.
And to cap it all off, another one if your old posts of a batch of weapons which are possibly M16s from 2006. Whilst looking impressive to some they are only a few guns out of 100's of thousands.
Can't you find any new data to support your theory?
To be honest, i think you'd say shit smelt sweet, if you thought everyone would agree with you.
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Anyhow, i found this old news report while researching. The army and police selling guns at the market via their families.
Same old Cambodia. I love the last sentence.
From 1996
The "quiet selling" of Teak Tla's bullets and guns
http://m.phnompenhpost.com/national/qui ... s-and-guns
9 Aug, 1996 Huw Watkin
THIS was a great story, a blow by blow description of illegal weapons sales to gangsters
and Khmer Rouge guerrillas, flagrant disregard of government efforts to control violent
crime - guns, grenades, land mines - all openly for sale in this terrible place,
this market of death.
As we rode out along Pochentong and towards Phnom Penh's Teak Tla market, I could
see it all - stall holders swamping me, urging me to buy from their racks of AK47's
and rocket launchers. Reaching into boxes of grenades, they'd jostle each other and
shout as they offered these wares in out-stretched arms for inspection.
"Sir! You buy from me! Special price for you! Sir! Sir!"
But as we pulled off the road, parked the bike and descended on foot into the boggy,
tarpaulin covered depression which is Teak Tla market, I noticed it was strangely
quiet. In any other the amputee beggars would be on to us by now, and small kids
would be fanning us frantically as they demanded money and Coca Cola.
The only people around seemed to be soldiers and military policemen. This, I reasoned,
was a good sign. We stepped gingerly through the mud, slowly and carefully looking
over the stalls to either side.
Holsters, uniforms, caps and badges, belts, boots and the occasional bayonet. Empty
ammunition boxes, but, other than on the hips of the assorted military types lounging
around, not a sign of the dull glint of gun metal.
I looked harder into the shadows and below the trellises and into the dark corners.
Nothing. Not a sausage. Zip. My interpreter introduced us to one of the stall holders
who, curiously, all seemed to be women.
"Ah, journalist," she said, "we've seen a lot of them here in the
past two weeks."
"Ah, journalist," her friend added, "One word, fifty dollars."
We were now surrounded by five or six women and they were all laughing, not, I suspect,
at the wit of their friend but at us and our disappointed expressions.
"No, no, no. I don't sell weapons. I used to sell weapons, but not anymore,
not since the government told us we were not allowed to anymore."
Another outburst of laughter which rapidly fell away. The women exchanged furtive
glances.
"If you want to buy weapons it's best to buy after making friends with some
soldiers - too many secret spies," the first woman said without the slightest
hint of humor in her voice.
It seemed clear that we would get little further and so, thanking them for their
cooperation, we moved off, still peering into the shadows for a glimpse of oiled
gun metal.
Though the open sale of weapons at Teak Tla was never officially sanctioned, the
market has long been the first port of call for anybody wanting to buy arms and ammunition
in Cambodia's capital.
One vendor even claimed the government gave money to its soldiers and police so they
could supplement the weapons from military armories with purchases from Teak Tla.
Up until recently, he said, $70 would get you an AK47 in good condition, M16's went
for a similar price and semi-automatic hand guns could be purchased for between $100
and $130.
"Soldiers and policemen would come here and sell their guns and bullets. If
you had the money, you could get anything you wanted within half an hour. We would
just go and see the soldiers nearby.
"I think if you have the money, you can still buy guns," he said. "But
you might have to wait a little longer."
Our conversation ended as the man rose to his feet and disappeared into the shadows
of a nearby house with a group of men who have been waiting quietly nearby. As he
left two soldiers negotiated a deal with his wife. They pulled four sets of olive
green trousers from a plastic bag, and the woman agreed to buy two of them.
According to her, many of the vendors are married to soldiers and police. "Sure,
it's a family business," she said matter-of-factly.
However, authorities have become increasingly nervous about a spate of violent crimes
involving firearms in the capital during the past three months. Until recently, and
despite Cambodia's violent history, Phnom Penh had been relatively safe, particularly
for foreigners.
But senior officials are now expressing concern publicly about the impact of crimes
like armed robbery and kidnapping on Cambodia's economic development and the risk
that foreigners will simply write off the country as too dangerous a place in which
to do business.
The Interior Ministry has organized special crime response teams, police have set
up road blocks and conducted weapons searches, seizing thousands of firearms and
hundreds of grenades. Legislators have announced their intention to tighten licensing
laws for civilian gun ownership and introduce tougher accountability procedures for
weapons used by the military and police.
And late last month the stall holders of Teak Tla were called together for a meeting
with Ministry of Interior officials who ordered them to stop their illegal trade.
They were given fifteen days to sell their existing stocks and were warned they would
be imprisoned for up to five years if they ignored the directive.
"But it is very difficult for the soldiers," the woman we are talking to
said. "They only earn $15 to $20 a month and they have to feed their families."
As she continued, a motorcycle splashed through the mud and pulled up between where
we are sitting and a military policeman standing about five meters away.
Its rider, a young man in tattered civilian clothes, stepped off the bike and approached
the stall, surreptitiously pulling a round for a K54 handgun from his pocket and
handing it to the woman.
They exchanged a few words and the woman disappeared, returning a few minutes later
with a handful of shiny, new cartridges. Obligingly, she placed them in a small plastic
bag.
The young man handed over a wad of money, climbed back on to his motorbike and drove
off.
The woman smiled. "I think the quiet selling will continue," she said,
"Cambodians are not afraid. Pol Pot's people used to say if you steal, we will
kill you - we are used to threats."
Same old Cambodia. I love the last sentence.
From 1996
The "quiet selling" of Teak Tla's bullets and guns
http://m.phnompenhpost.com/national/qui ... s-and-guns
9 Aug, 1996 Huw Watkin
THIS was a great story, a blow by blow description of illegal weapons sales to gangsters
and Khmer Rouge guerrillas, flagrant disregard of government efforts to control violent
crime - guns, grenades, land mines - all openly for sale in this terrible place,
this market of death.
As we rode out along Pochentong and towards Phnom Penh's Teak Tla market, I could
see it all - stall holders swamping me, urging me to buy from their racks of AK47's
and rocket launchers. Reaching into boxes of grenades, they'd jostle each other and
shout as they offered these wares in out-stretched arms for inspection.
"Sir! You buy from me! Special price for you! Sir! Sir!"
But as we pulled off the road, parked the bike and descended on foot into the boggy,
tarpaulin covered depression which is Teak Tla market, I noticed it was strangely
quiet. In any other the amputee beggars would be on to us by now, and small kids
would be fanning us frantically as they demanded money and Coca Cola.
The only people around seemed to be soldiers and military policemen. This, I reasoned,
was a good sign. We stepped gingerly through the mud, slowly and carefully looking
over the stalls to either side.
Holsters, uniforms, caps and badges, belts, boots and the occasional bayonet. Empty
ammunition boxes, but, other than on the hips of the assorted military types lounging
around, not a sign of the dull glint of gun metal.
I looked harder into the shadows and below the trellises and into the dark corners.
Nothing. Not a sausage. Zip. My interpreter introduced us to one of the stall holders
who, curiously, all seemed to be women.
"Ah, journalist," she said, "we've seen a lot of them here in the
past two weeks."
"Ah, journalist," her friend added, "One word, fifty dollars."
We were now surrounded by five or six women and they were all laughing, not, I suspect,
at the wit of their friend but at us and our disappointed expressions.
"No, no, no. I don't sell weapons. I used to sell weapons, but not anymore,
not since the government told us we were not allowed to anymore."
Another outburst of laughter which rapidly fell away. The women exchanged furtive
glances.
"If you want to buy weapons it's best to buy after making friends with some
soldiers - too many secret spies," the first woman said without the slightest
hint of humor in her voice.
It seemed clear that we would get little further and so, thanking them for their
cooperation, we moved off, still peering into the shadows for a glimpse of oiled
gun metal.
Though the open sale of weapons at Teak Tla was never officially sanctioned, the
market has long been the first port of call for anybody wanting to buy arms and ammunition
in Cambodia's capital.
One vendor even claimed the government gave money to its soldiers and police so they
could supplement the weapons from military armories with purchases from Teak Tla.
Up until recently, he said, $70 would get you an AK47 in good condition, M16's went
for a similar price and semi-automatic hand guns could be purchased for between $100
and $130.
"Soldiers and policemen would come here and sell their guns and bullets. If
you had the money, you could get anything you wanted within half an hour. We would
just go and see the soldiers nearby.
"I think if you have the money, you can still buy guns," he said. "But
you might have to wait a little longer."
Our conversation ended as the man rose to his feet and disappeared into the shadows
of a nearby house with a group of men who have been waiting quietly nearby. As he
left two soldiers negotiated a deal with his wife. They pulled four sets of olive
green trousers from a plastic bag, and the woman agreed to buy two of them.
According to her, many of the vendors are married to soldiers and police. "Sure,
it's a family business," she said matter-of-factly.
However, authorities have become increasingly nervous about a spate of violent crimes
involving firearms in the capital during the past three months. Until recently, and
despite Cambodia's violent history, Phnom Penh had been relatively safe, particularly
for foreigners.
But senior officials are now expressing concern publicly about the impact of crimes
like armed robbery and kidnapping on Cambodia's economic development and the risk
that foreigners will simply write off the country as too dangerous a place in which
to do business.
The Interior Ministry has organized special crime response teams, police have set
up road blocks and conducted weapons searches, seizing thousands of firearms and
hundreds of grenades. Legislators have announced their intention to tighten licensing
laws for civilian gun ownership and introduce tougher accountability procedures for
weapons used by the military and police.
And late last month the stall holders of Teak Tla were called together for a meeting
with Ministry of Interior officials who ordered them to stop their illegal trade.
They were given fifteen days to sell their existing stocks and were warned they would
be imprisoned for up to five years if they ignored the directive.
"But it is very difficult for the soldiers," the woman we are talking to
said. "They only earn $15 to $20 a month and they have to feed their families."
As she continued, a motorcycle splashed through the mud and pulled up between where
we are sitting and a military policeman standing about five meters away.
Its rider, a young man in tattered civilian clothes, stepped off the bike and approached
the stall, surreptitiously pulling a round for a K54 handgun from his pocket and
handing it to the woman.
They exchanged a few words and the woman disappeared, returning a few minutes later
with a handful of shiny, new cartridges. Obligingly, she placed them in a small plastic
bag.
The young man handed over a wad of money, climbed back on to his motorbike and drove
off.
The woman smiled. "I think the quiet selling will continue," she said,
"Cambodians are not afraid. Pol Pot's people used to say if you steal, we will
kill you - we are used to threats."
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Those are some of the AK47s and AKMs that were found in Thailand last week - 2017.AlonzoPartriz wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:23 am
Fresh from the farm.
https://www.jics.or.jp/jsac/newsEN.html
And to cap it all off, another one if your old posts of a batch of weapons which are possibly M16s from 2006. Whilst looking impressive to some they are only a few guns out of 100's of thousands.
Can't you find any new data to support your theory?
And I did look at your link, the figures for gun ownership cited studies from 2006/7 that were based on older data.
Cambodia comes 109th in the world for civilian gun figures anyway, compared to England and Wales, for example, which are at 22.
http://www.smallarmssurvey.org/fileadmi ... -02-EN.pdf
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OK , you guys finished your argument on guns, now it's back to news from the past.
Cambodia,,,, Don't fall in love with her.
Like the spoilt child she is, she will not be happy till she destroys herself from within and breaks your heart.
Like the spoilt child she is, she will not be happy till she destroys herself from within and breaks your heart.
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" In the café of the Capitol Hotel, a graying heap of concrete near Phnom Penh's Russian Market, scruffy Western travelers hoist bottles of Angkor beer, scribble in their notebooks, and trade banter with the pedicab drivers, bar girls, and beggars who spill in from the teeming sidewalks to work their hustles. It's a familiar setting to anyone who's traveled in Asia. In nearly every city of note east of the Indus, there's a place like the Capitol, or a street of such places: super-cheap guest houses that have been claimed as the local base camp by the backpacker tribe and transformed into outposts of late-beatnik progress. But in Cambodia, the scene is still a relative novelty. Only in the past few years has this tiny Southeast Asian kingdom, devastated by 20 years of civil war, found its way onto travelers' maps
Phanh Sopheap, the round-faced manager of the Capitol, was a study in good cheer when I stopped by last spring. "Ninety-eight percent of the backpackers, when they come to Cambodia, they come to me," he told me. As he spoke, his hand stirred soothingly in cash drawers spilling over with dollars and Cambodian riels. "It's good business," he said. "Very good business."
Remember this recent defense at the closing statements of the trials?
Soon after the remains were recovered, the Khmer Rouge claimed that the three had been killed because they were spies. "They were acting on behalf of the communist You'en [Vietnamese] to kill the Cambodian People," Khmer Rouge radio chided insanely. "They were war criminals." But the former Khmer Rouge commander turned Royal Armed Forces colonel, Chhouk Rin, told the Phnom Penh Post, "What they were killed for, I don't know.... It brought no advantage
"The coroner had no need to worry: 1994 was a boom year for tourism in Cambodia, with visits up 50 percent from 1993, despite the hostage crises that filled the local newspapers from April through the end of the year.
The flow of ink had stopped only for a few weeks in January of this year when Susan Hadden, a college professor from Texas, was gunned down with her guide in their minivan while touring the outlying temples of Angkor near the provincial capital of Siem Reap. The government tried to play down the attack--which involved not only AK-47s, but also B-40 rockets--as a case of apolitical banditry. The Khmer Rouge, however, claimed responsibility for the killing, and Khmer Rouge Radio seized the moment to announce that hunting "long noses," as Westerners are sometimes called, was now official strategy. It would pay a bounty of $8,000--an astounding sum in Cambodia--for each kill
Death in the Ruins
Outside magazine, September 1995
They come to Cambodia for the cheap living, the cheap grass, the chance to flirt with a dangerous part of the world. But these days, young Western travelers have been paying the price for straying too far off the beaten path.
By Philip Gourevitch
In the café of the Capitol Hotel, a graying heap of concrete near Phnom Penh's Russian Market, scruffy Western travelers hoist bottles of Angkor beer, scribble in their notebooks, and trade banter with the pedicab drivers, bar girls, and beggars who spill in from the teeming sidewalks to work their hustles. It's a familiar setting to anyone who's traveled in Asia. In nearly every city of note east of the Indus, there's a place like the Capitol, or a street of such places: super-cheap guest houses that have been claimed as the local base camp by the backpacker tribe and transformed into outposts of late-beatnik progress. But in Cambodia, the scene is still a relative novelty. Only in the past few years has this tiny Southeast Asian kingdom, devastated by 20 years of civil war, found its way onto travelers' maps.
Phanh Sopheap, the round-faced manager of the Capitol, was a study in good cheer when I stopped by last spring. "Ninety-eight percent of the backpackers, when they come to Cambodia, they come to me," he told me. As he spoke, his hand stirred soothingly in cash drawers spilling over with dollars and Cambodian riels. "It's good business," he said. "Very good business."
But while Phanh may thank Cambodia's recently proclaimed peace for his budding prosperity, it is the legacy of war that attracts many of the Capitol's customers to his homeland. "I'm here 'cause of a bloke I spoke to in Sydney," said Danny Allen, a 19-year-old from South London who had been traveling for four months in Thailand, Vietnam, and Australia. "I'd never seen anyone so excited about a place. It was the fact that it was dangerous that he loved, how you could still hear shooting."
A young woman at a nearby table agreed that it was exciting, though not quite for the reasons Danny mentioned. Wearing dark sunglasses in the deep shade of the café, she sat in a tank top and shorts with her bare feet propped on her kicked-off cowboy boots. As she puffed away at a stogie-size joint, she made it clear that her idea of traveling did not require any physical movement greater than raising her fingers to her lips. Marijuana is legal in Cambodia, and ganja-laced "happy soup" is a staple of the local cuisine. Cannabis sells for a dollar per kilo in public markets, giving Phnom Penh a reputation as the Amsterdam of the East. "It's a great country--to be able to sit in a restaurant and smoke," the glazed cowgirl said. "I bought a beach bag full of the stuff for $3. I'm planning to use all the leftover powder to give myself a marijuana facial."
The backpackers at some of the other tables seemed a bit more shaken by the world they were discovering. John from Australia was recovering from his visit to Toul Sleng, a former Khmer Rouge prison and torture chamber that now stands as a memorial to the victims of Pol Pot's massacres. "This was in our lifetime," he said. "To see a country so wasted, it really makes you think." John was smoking his third joint of the day, so he couldn't quite spell out what he was thinking. But he nodded vigorously when a young cockney sitting at the same table said, "It's still going on. Algeria, Kashmir, Bosnia. People are fuckin' greedy, that's my conclusion."
No doubt it was during a discussion not unlike this one that Jean-Michel Braquet, Mark Slater, and David Wilson met at the Capitol Hotel in late July 1994. The three backpackers--a Frenchman, an Englishman, and an Australian, aged 27, 28, and 29--decided to travel together to Kampot, a port town by the palm-studded shores of the Gulf of Siam. The Cambodian government had been promoting Kampot and the nearby coastal city of Sihanoukville as the kingdom's great new resort destination. The white-sand beaches and warm waters were said to be pristine, and the living was almost embarrassingly cheap. Except for the notorious sand flies, the only problem with this paradise, it seemed, was how to get there.
In the previous year and a half, the train from Phnom Penh to Kampot had been sacked in 18 separate ambushes as it chuffed along the edge of the Elephant Mountains. Passengers had been robbed, kidnapped, and killed in these attacks, which were staged both by Khmer Rouge guerrillas and by "bandits"--a word generally used in Cambodia to denote undisciplined government soldiers who use their office as a license for thuggery.
Phanh Sopheap recalled a conversation he'd had with Braquet, Slater, and Wilson just before the three embarked on their journey. "Those guys come in here and drink three Cokes," the hotel manager told me. "They say they want to go to the beach. I tell them take a taxi. They ask how much. I say about 12,000 riels each." He punched a calculator and showed me that 12,000 Cambodian riels is $4.61. "Not so expensive," he said. "But they ask how much the train. I say maybe 3,700 riels one person."
Phanh worked the calculator: $1.42--a difference of $3.19. He smiled. "They say, 'Oh, we want to see countryside. We take the train.' Sometimes, to save a little money can be very expensive."
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These are the three guys.
"What had begun as an ugly but relatively straightforward kidnapping for profit had turned political. On August 16, the Khmer Rouge's clandestine radio station upped the ante, promising to release the hostages if Australia, Britain, and France, three of Cambodia's key financial supporters, would cut off all further assistance to the royal government. The announcement provoked a panicked reaction from Phnom Penh. Despite government promises to the contrary, the Royal Cambodian Armed Forces moved on Phnom Vour in the second week of August, deploying heavy artillery and thousands of troops around the rebel base.
In the midst of the shelling, a reporter from London's Sunday Times managed to arrange a radio conversation with the hostages. "It is as if they are bombing to kill us," Mark Slater said in that August 19 interview. "We hear...heavy machine-gun fire, mortars...rockets. We jump in the trenches and we are so, so scared."
"At the end of August, a videotape of Braquet, Slater, and Wilson made its way through the government lines at Phnom Vour and back to Phnom Penh. The three hostages, skinny and exhausted, showed the bomb shelters they had dug. "The bombing is day in and day out," said Wilson.
Braquet added, "It's just killing peasants."
"What had begun as an ugly but relatively straightforward kidnapping for profit had turned political. On August 16, the Khmer Rouge's clandestine radio station upped the ante, promising to release the hostages if Australia, Britain, and France, three of Cambodia's key financial supporters, would cut off all further assistance to the royal government. The announcement provoked a panicked reaction from Phnom Penh. Despite government promises to the contrary, the Royal Cambodian Armed Forces moved on Phnom Vour in the second week of August, deploying heavy artillery and thousands of troops around the rebel base.
In the midst of the shelling, a reporter from London's Sunday Times managed to arrange a radio conversation with the hostages. "It is as if they are bombing to kill us," Mark Slater said in that August 19 interview. "We hear...heavy machine-gun fire, mortars...rockets. We jump in the trenches and we are so, so scared."
"At the end of August, a videotape of Braquet, Slater, and Wilson made its way through the government lines at Phnom Vour and back to Phnom Penh. The three hostages, skinny and exhausted, showed the bomb shelters they had dug. "The bombing is day in and day out," said Wilson.
Braquet added, "It's just killing peasants."
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I was having a drink with some local friends last year, they are all former Heng Samrin soldiers (PRK army). Along came a guy they knew, who they announced as a "Pol Pot Soldier". We all chatted and laughed for a good while. I asked the guy where he was stationed in the 1990s, and he said Kampot. I asked him if he was at Phnom Vour and he said yes, he was surprised I knew of the former stronghold. I asked him if he knew of the three foreigners who had been held there. "Oh no, I was on the other side of the mountain at the time!" he said. I still have his business card in my pocket.
Khmer Rouge commanders Nuon Paet and Sam Bith recieved life sentences for the killings in 1999/ 2002, Sam Bith died in prison in 2008. They were two of the only Khmer Rouge to receive such sentences, prior to the ECCC trials.
There were 3 other westerners kidnapped and murdered along route 4 earlier in 1994, Dominic Chappell, Kellie Wilkinson and Tina Dominy.
Khmer Rouge commanders Nuon Paet and Sam Bith recieved life sentences for the killings in 1999/ 2002, Sam Bith died in prison in 2008. They were two of the only Khmer Rouge to receive such sentences, prior to the ECCC trials.
There were 3 other westerners kidnapped and murdered along route 4 earlier in 1994, Dominic Chappell, Kellie Wilkinson and Tina Dominy.
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Justice for the victim's families.
This vid is what spurred me into finding the above article. I was deeply impressed by how the French guy's father was so emotional years later. It's as if it happened only yesterday to him still. A small part of the story, but It really brought home what the people who have been giving evidence at the KR tribunals must be going through, and also how, even under the razmataz of 7% economic growth, it must still deeply effect the psyche of the country as a whole.
"Published on Jul 21, 2015
1. Various of Appeals Court exterior
2. Various of Jean-Claude Braquet, father of French victim outside court
3. Arrival of Louise Hand, Australian ambassador
4. Close-up of British embassy official
5. Wide shot of court interior as judges arrive - empty dock where plaintiff should stand
6. Close-up of Jean-Claude Braquet sitting in court
7. Various of judges, officials and Jean-Claude Braquet as verdict is read out
8. Jean-Claude Braquet nods at judge after verdict, then speaks into mobile phone
9. SOUNDBITE: (English) Louise Hand, Australia Ambassador to Cambodia:
"Well we're very pleased with this outcome. The Australian government has been pushing for justice for the Wilson family for a long time and we finally seem to have things happening the way we would like to see it with the outcome on Sam Bith, Nuon Paet and now this outcome having found Chhouk Rin guilty. We very much welcome this outcome, it offers some hope for the Wilson family in their search for justice in this case."
10. Wide shot of reporters
11. SOUNDBITE: (French) Jean-Claude Braquet, father of French victim:
"Yes, I'm very happy. Justice is finally marching in Cambodia. I am very happy. Chhouk Rin didn't deserve it, he really deserved to be condemned, but I'll let my interpreter talk to you."
12. Various cutaways of reporters
13. SOUNDBITE: (French) Jean-Claude Braquet, father of French victim:
"This decision of the court, let's just hope that in the near future all the light will be shed on this case and I thank the Cambodian justice (system) for condemning Chhouk Rin, who deserved it."
14. Cutaway of reporter
15. Various of Jean-Claude Braquet departing court
16. Wide shot of Royal Palace
STORYLINE:
A Cambodian court on Friday sentenced a former senior Khmer Rouge leader, Chhouk Rin, to life in prison for the 1994 murders of three Western backpackers, reversing an earlier acquittal.
Chhouk Rin was acquitted two years ago by a municipal court of charges that he and other Khmer Rouge members kidnapped and murdered Briton Mark Slater, Frenchman Jean-Michel Braquet and Australian David Wilson after ambushing the train on which the three were travelling.
Appeals Court chief judge Somreth Sophal rejected the original court ruling as inaccurate and said there was "enough guilt" to convict Chhouk Rin of murder.
The chief judge said Chhouk Rin was responsible for the murders of the backpackers by virtue of the fact that he was the commander of the troops who attacked the train.
The appeal against the municipal court acquittal was filed by Jean-Claude Braquet, the father of the French victim.
Chhouk Rin and his lawyers did not attend the hearing on Friday, but chief defence lawyer Put Theavy told The Associated Press that he will appeal against the Appeals Court decision in the Supreme Court, the last legal avenue.
On Wednesday, the Supreme Court upheld a life sentence handed down to a second Khmer Rouge leader, Nuon Paet, in 1999 for his role in the killings.
A third former Khmer Rouge, Sam Bith, who was implicated by Nuon Paet in the killings, was arrested in May and is now in detention awaiting trial.
Human rights advocates have viewed these trials as a barometer of the government's commitment to pursuing justice for greater crimes the Khmer Rouge committed during their 1975-79 rule in which an estimated 1.7 million people died from starvation, diseases, overwork and execution.
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Justice for the victim's families.
This vid is what spurred me into finding the above article. I was deeply impressed by how the French guy's father was so emotional years later. It's as if it happened only yesterday to him still. A small part of the story, but It really brought home what the people who have been giving evidence at the KR tribunals must be going through, and also how, even under the razmataz of 7% economic growth, it must still deeply effect the psyche of the country as a whole.
"Published on Jul 21, 2015
1. Various of Appeals Court exterior
2. Various of Jean-Claude Braquet, father of French victim outside court
3. Arrival of Louise Hand, Australian ambassador
4. Close-up of British embassy official
5. Wide shot of court interior as judges arrive - empty dock where plaintiff should stand
6. Close-up of Jean-Claude Braquet sitting in court
7. Various of judges, officials and Jean-Claude Braquet as verdict is read out
8. Jean-Claude Braquet nods at judge after verdict, then speaks into mobile phone
9. SOUNDBITE: (English) Louise Hand, Australia Ambassador to Cambodia:
"Well we're very pleased with this outcome. The Australian government has been pushing for justice for the Wilson family for a long time and we finally seem to have things happening the way we would like to see it with the outcome on Sam Bith, Nuon Paet and now this outcome having found Chhouk Rin guilty. We very much welcome this outcome, it offers some hope for the Wilson family in their search for justice in this case."
10. Wide shot of reporters
11. SOUNDBITE: (French) Jean-Claude Braquet, father of French victim:
"Yes, I'm very happy. Justice is finally marching in Cambodia. I am very happy. Chhouk Rin didn't deserve it, he really deserved to be condemned, but I'll let my interpreter talk to you."
12. Various cutaways of reporters
13. SOUNDBITE: (French) Jean-Claude Braquet, father of French victim:
"This decision of the court, let's just hope that in the near future all the light will be shed on this case and I thank the Cambodian justice (system) for condemning Chhouk Rin, who deserved it."
14. Cutaway of reporter
15. Various of Jean-Claude Braquet departing court
16. Wide shot of Royal Palace
STORYLINE:
A Cambodian court on Friday sentenced a former senior Khmer Rouge leader, Chhouk Rin, to life in prison for the 1994 murders of three Western backpackers, reversing an earlier acquittal.
Chhouk Rin was acquitted two years ago by a municipal court of charges that he and other Khmer Rouge members kidnapped and murdered Briton Mark Slater, Frenchman Jean-Michel Braquet and Australian David Wilson after ambushing the train on which the three were travelling.
Appeals Court chief judge Somreth Sophal rejected the original court ruling as inaccurate and said there was "enough guilt" to convict Chhouk Rin of murder.
The chief judge said Chhouk Rin was responsible for the murders of the backpackers by virtue of the fact that he was the commander of the troops who attacked the train.
The appeal against the municipal court acquittal was filed by Jean-Claude Braquet, the father of the French victim.
Chhouk Rin and his lawyers did not attend the hearing on Friday, but chief defence lawyer Put Theavy told The Associated Press that he will appeal against the Appeals Court decision in the Supreme Court, the last legal avenue.
On Wednesday, the Supreme Court upheld a life sentence handed down to a second Khmer Rouge leader, Nuon Paet, in 1999 for his role in the killings.
A third former Khmer Rouge, Sam Bith, who was implicated by Nuon Paet in the killings, was arrested in May and is now in detention awaiting trial.
Human rights advocates have viewed these trials as a barometer of the government's commitment to pursuing justice for greater crimes the Khmer Rouge committed during their 1975-79 rule in which an estimated 1.7 million people died from starvation, diseases, overwork and execution.
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Someone was telling me yesterday that earlier than that, in 1992 I think he said, the government troups had been told that they weren't going to get paid. So they went to all the businesses around the Capital area etc and ransacked every shop for all that they had. Very popular shops to raid, he said, were motorbike shops. Lots of new shops selling motorbikes that had sprung up were cleaned out. He said the motorbikes, which cost $1300 each, could be found the next few days being sold for as little as $200 on the streets. An opportunity that many people took advantage of.When I arrived in Phnom Penh in the scorching dry season last February, there were daily reports of major battles between government and Khmer Rouge forces 200 miles away, yet the menace felt oddly remote. Strolling along the embankment over the Tonle Sap River at dusk, I watched fishermen in their sampans throw nets in spinning halos. Families gathered at the pavilion across from the royal palace, posing in their favorite outfits for strolling photographers. A sweet breeze carried over the water from the bushes on the far bank. Vendors sold pungent flower garlands, water lily seeds, and gaudy inflatable animals--ducks, elephants, bunnies. Monks in pumpkin-colored robes bathed their feet at the water's edge, and children swung cages full of swallows, which you could buy and release to acquire good karma--only to watch the children chase the birds down to be traded again
He also gave an example of a case he said he knew about, where a Sino-Khmer family had borrowed a lot if money to fill a large shop with a 1000 motorbikes. They took every one and he ended up shooting himself in the head, leaving his wife and young child to fend for themselves.
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