Rain Dog wrote:

Joon wrote: Raindog, that's a good exercise but if you're gonna do that, you should quote what is relevant and actually showing that Hotdigr was not praising me because I'm a woman but because he approves of my posting style and intellectual approach:

Which, if I think is what you commended Nirvana and I for in the K440 thread.

I don't expect anybody to cut me slack because I'm a woman, but likewise I do expect that nobody will give me a hard time or refuse to acknowledge my merits because I'm a woman.

However, I won't lie. If some posters hadn't expressed their appreciation of my posts, I would've given up long ago and retreated into my shell. It lifted my spirits to know that somehow I'm doing something right. So my sincere, warm thanks to them, they know who they are.

Joon --- there is no need for me to go back and restate every point that has been made in every post. OD accused me having the sequence wrong. I went back and demonstrated to him that HE was wrong in his assertion by showing the chronology of the posts.

As to the comments I made on K440, absolutely I was positive towards your presentation of your argument. I thought you shredded Nirvana on that thread. I however felt no need to consider either of your genders nor did I feel the need to tell Nirvana to "hang in there" just because I thought you were winning your argument.

Sorry but if you want double standards based on gender, I am not the guy for that.

As to your last point -- sure everybody likes to get positive feedback sometimes --- but I am starting to think you are making a lot of drama over this.

"Retreated"? Why? because some people disagreed with you?

This is a largely un-moderated internet forum. You should expect to have your views challenged some times.

Joon wrote: I accept for my views to be challenged, I don't accept wrong assumptions on my characters. For you, this is just an Internet forum and you can be detached. For me, it is a platform of socialization with real people behind their screen names and I do invest time, energy, and yes, emotions. Some of my best buddies are people I befriended online and never met.
So what you see as drama is actually me using the only social platform that enables me to freely and almost completely express myself.

Rain Dog wrote:
Anyway, my only advice is to not take things too personally on forums like this ---- unless someone is REALLY attacking or harassing you. Other than some rude remarks from FC, I have seen no evidence of this. Even the criticisms that have been raised in the last 10 pages or so concern how people are giving you special treatment as a female poster rather than any specific thing YOU have done.

Cowshed Cowboy wrote:... for the most part with relatively few exceptions it has done so without resorting to hurling gutter insults at people and has been interesting. Long may that continue across this board, it's a much nicer environment to be a part of.

Joon wrote:I have no bad history with anyone whatsoever. The only bad history I have is with banned 440 posters in this very thread.

Cowshed Cowboy wrote:

Rain Dog wrote:Anyway, my only advice is to not take things too personally on forums like this ---- unless someone is REALLY attacking or harassing you. Other than some rude remarks from FC, I have seen no evidence of this. Even the criticisms that have been raised in the last 10 pages or so concern how people are giving you special treatment as a female poster rather than any specific thing YOU have done.

I was going to add that with the number of pages this thread has now reached and the various tangents that it veers on and off to every now and again, for the most part with relatively few exceptions it has done so without resorting to hurling gutter insults at people and has been interesting. Long may that continue across this board, it's a much nicer environment to be a part of.

Rain Dog wrote:

Joon wrote: Raindog, that's a good exercise but if you're gonna do that, you should quote what is relevant and actually showing that Hotdigr was not praising me because I'm a woman but because he approves of my posting style and intellectual approach:

Which, if I think is what you commended Nirvana and I for in the K440 thread.

I don't expect anybody to cut me slack because I'm a woman, but likewise I do expect that nobody will give me a hard time or refuse to acknowledge my merits because I'm a woman.

However, I won't lie. If some posters hadn't expressed their appreciation of my posts, I would've given up long ago and retreated into my shell. It lifted my spirits to know that somehow I'm doing something right. So my sincere, warm thanks to them, they know who they are.

Joon --- there is no need for me to go back and restate every point that has been made in every post. OD accused me having the sequence wrong. I went back and demonstrated to him that HE was wrong in his assertion by showing the chronology of the posts.

As to the comments I made on K440, absolutely I was positive towards your presentation of your argument. I thought you shredded Nirvana on that thread. I however felt no need to consider either of your genders nor did I feel the need to tell Nirvana to "hang in there" just because I thought you were winning your argument.

Sorry but if you want double standards based on gender, I am not the guy for that.

As to your last point -- sure everybody likes to get positive feedback sometimes --- but I am starting to think you are making a lot of drama over this.

"Retreated"? Why? because some people disagreed with you?

This is a largely un-moderated internet forum. You should expect to have your views challenged some times.

flying chicken wrote:Joon, I know these guys are being rude and very mean...screw them! I, on the other hand sympathize you.

Soi Dog wrote:

OrangeDragon wrote:Selective memory? Then the only ones after that was Soi Dog attacking everyone for patronizing her because she was a chick (which they weren't... at least I wasn't), and people responding that it's NOT why they were doing it.

Please find me examples of where I attacked anyone for supporting anyone else in this thread.

I noticed a trend of patronizing some female posters on both forums going way back and I commented on it. Multiple glowing comments about Joon's posting were just the most recent example of that trend. Most of the praise of her was NOT about her multi-linguistic abilities, as i recall. I posed my observation initially as a question for discussion. People are free to disagree with my hypothesis. I didn't attack her. I only called out one cowardly poster who made accusations without posting backup evidence, which is pure scumbag behavior.

Soi Dog wrote: Many others seem to think that giving you a pat on the head and basically saying "well done, little Joonie, you stood your ground there. " is appropriate.

This is not really an issue about you, anyway. This is a wider topic. You were just the obvious, recent example. This is really about the men here or there who feel the need to support or stand up for you, knowing that you are a woman. So chivalrous. And sorry, they did know you were a woman when they praised you so flatteringly. Show me any male poster who gets such glowing praise so repeatedly and from so many members. Even Cowshed Cowboy saw this dilemma and quickly added phuketrichard to his kudos list to try to balance things out at the last minute.