Why not Montagnards ?

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prahkeitouj wrote:But those Montagnards are pitiful. Sending them to Vietnam is like sending them to the hell. They ban only Montagnards? How many foreigners have expire visa and how many illegal immagration of Vietnamese in Cambodia? We don't send them to UN or something else?
I imagine the Cambodian government is afraid that if word gets out in Vietnam that Montagnards are allowed to cross into Cambodia, the number of Montagnard refugees will overwhelm your small country. There are millions of equally persecuted and impoverished hilltribe people in the highlands, so the governments fears are not completely unfounded. Their plight is very sad, and the French and US governments played a large role in how they are now viewed the Vietnamese people. I would like to see those countries take some financial responsibility for the refugee's well being, but that won't ever happen.
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For anyone else who didn't know what a Montagnard is, here you go: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degar
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Anchor Moy wrote:
If they could get to Australia, maybe they would get sent here and Cambodia would welcome them ? It's all a bit crazy.
Very good idea but impossible. Or it's possible if Australia could help to take them. ;)
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prahkeitouj wrote:I wonder why our government doesn't allow Montagnards to live in Cambodia like Australian refugees?
http://m.phnompenhpost.com/national/sol ... g-refugees
Because, like the Uighurs, they are political refugees from a benefactor country that wants them back. Cambodia's relationship with these benefactor nations is more important to the government than pleasing the UN by taking them in.
prahkeitouj wrote:I wonder how they recognize Montagnards ? What happen if they learn Khmer or Vietnamese languge and never speak their language in the public?
If a Vietnamese person learned Khmer and never spoke Vietnamese in public, would you be fooled into believe he is Khmer?
Reasonable but Cambodia over reacts. The armies seem don't want to camp in the border too, they prefer to go to their houses and do farming.
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Soi Dog wrote:
prahkeitouj wrote:But those Montagnards are pitiful. Sending them to Vietnam is like sending them to the hell. They ban only Montagnards? How many foreigners have expire visa and how many illegal immagration of Vietnamese in Cambodia? We don't send them to UN or something else?
I imagine the Cambodian government is afraid that if word gets out in Vietnam that Montagnards are allowed to cross into Cambodia, the number of Montagnard refugees will overwhelm your small country. There are millions of equally persecuted and impoverished hilltribe people in the highlands, so the governments fears are not completely unfounded. Their plight is very sad, and the French and US governments played a large role in how they are now viewed the Vietnamese people. I would like to see those countries take some financial responsibility for the refugee's well being, but that won't ever happen.
I don't know the number of the Montagnards. Are there larg number?
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StroppyChops wrote:For anyone else who didn't know what a Montagnard is, here you go: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degar
Thanks for sharing, SC.
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Rejected Vietnamese Asylum-Seekers Given Two Weeks to Leave
by Aun Pheap and George Wright | October 13, 2016

Almost two years since the latest wave of Montagnard asylum-seekers began crossing into Ratanakkiri province claiming to be fleeing persecution in Vietnam, an immigration official said on Wednesday that some of the 170 remaining in Phnom Penh had two weeks to return home or face forcible repatriation.

Despite initially blocking the Montagnards from registering as refugees, in January the government announced the group could have their claims assessed.
Kem Sarin, a spokesman for the Interior Ministry’s immigration department, said on Wednesday that the entire group had had their claims evaluated by officials.

“We have interviewed those Montagnard asylum-seekers one by one for the last few months and we evaluated that those people have no right to receive asylum from a third country because their answers do not comply with the convention on refugees,” Mr. Sarin said of the U.N. convention signed by Cambodia...

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Montagnard asylum seekers to be sent back
Fri, 9 June 2017
Sixteen Montagnards who sought refugee status in Cambodia are due to return to Vietnam today, according to the Kingdom’s refugee director, General Tan Sovichea.

The latest repatriation comes after 25 Montagnards – members of predominantly Christian mountain tribes from the Vietnamese highlands – were sent back in April.
Earlier that month, nearly 50 Montagnards fled Cambodia for Thailand, fearing they would be repatriated to Vietnam where they claimed they were persecuted.

“They volunteered to return, because they cannot get refugee status,” said Sovichea of the 16.
“They are on the way to the border in a car prepared by the UNHCR [United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees].”
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When I think of Montagnards I always think of the part they played in the Vietnam war. AFAIK around 20,000 made it as refugees to the US, the ones left behind fared less well.

"Were it not for the involvement of retired U.S. Army Special Forces Soldiers, it is unlikely that the Montagnard people would have ever gotten to the U.S. http://www.blackfive.net/main/2008/07/t ... f-the.html

Save the Montagnard People, Inc.The New Central Highlands ..."They were there for us then, Let us be here for them now."http://montagnards.org/

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The Vietnamese tribesmen who fought alongside American Special Forces won the Green Berets’ admiration—and lost everything else.

Special Forces had been training an oppressed minority group in guerrilla tactics, providing them with weapons and acting as de facto aid workers in their communities. When Americans remember Vietnam, we often think of the war as having three major actors: the North Vietnamese, the South Vietnamese, and the American military. But there was another player: the Montagnards.

The indigenous Montagnards, recruited into service by the American Special Forces in Vietnam’s mountain highlands, defended villages against the Viet Cong and served as rapid response forces. The Special Forces and the Montagnards—each tough, versatile, and accustomed to living in wild conditions—formed an affinity for each other. In the testimony of many veterans, their working relationship with the Montagnards, nicknamed Yards, was a bright spot in a confusing and frustrating war. The bond between America’s elite fighters and their indigenous partners has persisted into the present, but despite the best efforts of vets, the Montagnards have suffered greatly in the postwar years, at least in part because they cast their lot with the U.S. Army. In a war with more than its share of tragedies, this one is less often told but is crucial to understanding the conflict and its toll.http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... ation.html
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