Tuol Sleng Guard Tells of Executions, Thwarted Rebellion

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Re: Tuol Sleng Guard Tells of Executions, Thwarted Rebellion

Post by John Bingham » Fri May 06, 2016 10:23 am

willyhilly wrote:I think a lot of the guards were children weren't they?
They were mainly in their late teens, I wouldn't call them children. Most were from the elite Division 703. After victory they expected some sort of improvement in their lives but were treated almost as badly as anyone else, a whole lot of them ended up incarcerated in S21 or on punishment duties farming at Prey Sar or in Boeng Tumpun where they raised livestock.

There's an excellent book by DC CAM about the division: The Khmer Rouge Division 703 : from victory to self-destruction


Here's a link to the PDF: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/do ... 1&type=pdf
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Re: Tuol Sleng Guard Tells of Executions, Thwarted Rebellion

Post by Rutiger » Fri May 06, 2016 9:44 pm

Museum photos of the horrific reality faced by S-21 prisoners during "interrogation". The spoilers are for the squeamish.

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This one is worse.
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And this one haunts me.
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http://www.tuolsleng.com/detail.php?photosPage=106
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Re: Tuol Sleng Guard Tells of Executions, Thwarted Rebellion

Post by Anchor Moy » Sat May 07, 2016 12:53 am

LTO wrote:
Anchor Moy wrote:
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I think most of us would have obeyed. They order you to kill someone or you will be killed, then once you've crossed that line, further resistance makes no sense.
Of course I'd like to say I would NEVER do this. And as myself, right now, I hope I would refuse. But I admit I really really don't know. If you are an uneducated peasant in a culture which insists that you should always obey those who are in power, do you have the inner resources to resist the power structure ? Again, I'd love to say that I would be the exceptional being, but I can't be sure of that.

Good luck to those of you who are sure that morality would win against survival. I'd like to believe this, but I doubt.
But could you do that? Would your inner self allow it? Could you torture and kill children and innocent women? Honestly, personally, not philosophically, I don't think most men are capable of that, regardless of threat or precedent. Have I misjudged the real world, the hearts of men?
Quick answer LTO - just wrote a long post that I made disappear somehow; No I could not and would not torture anyone. But, I don't think that's because I was born a "good" person. I don't really believe that some people are innately evil. If I had been brought up to believe that torture was a normal way to behave, perhaps my mindset would be different. I honestly don't know.
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Re: Tuol Sleng Guard Tells of Executions, Thwarted Rebellion

Post by LTO » Sat May 07, 2016 1:22 am

I don't think anybody is brought up to believe the kinds of things that happened in S-21 or Auschwitz were normal.
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Re: Tuol Sleng Guard Tells of Executions, Thwarted Rebellion

Post by phuketrichard » Sat May 07, 2016 8:14 am

LTO wrote:I don't think anybody is brought up to believe the kinds of things that happened in S-21 or Auschwitz were normal.

more recent,
how about Guantanamo Bay?
Is mental torture worse or ... than physical torture?
obviously it would depend on if u require information or not
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Post by LTO » Sat May 07, 2016 2:05 pm

phuketrichard wrote:
LTO wrote:I don't think anybody is brought up to believe the kinds of things that happened in S-21 or Auschwitz were normal.

more recent,
how about Guantanamo Bay?
Is mental torture worse or ... than physical torture?
obviously it would depend on if u require information or not
Is that the salient difference between Gitmo and Auschwitz?
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Re: Tuol Sleng Guard Tells of Executions, Thwarted Rebellion

Post by phuketrichard » Sat May 07, 2016 2:14 pm

LTO wrote:
phuketrichard wrote:
LTO wrote:I don't think anybody is brought up to believe the kinds of things that happened in S-21 or Auschwitz were normal.

more recent,
how about Guantanamo Bay?
Is mental torture worse or ... than physical torture?
obviously it would depend on if u require information or not
Is that the salient difference between Gitmo and Auschwitz?
torture done by sadistic people who thought they were superior ( Nazi's & KR) & drs (Nazi's ) experimenting vs torture to gain info ( Gitmo)
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Re: Tuol Sleng Guard Tells of Executions, Thwarted Rebellion

Post by LTO » Sat May 07, 2016 2:36 pm

phuketrichard wrote:
LTO wrote:
phuketrichard wrote:
LTO wrote:I don't think anybody is brought up to believe the kinds of things that happened in S-21 or Auschwitz were normal.
more recent,
how about Guantanamo Bay?
Is mental torture worse or ... than physical torture?
obviously it would depend on if u require information or not
Is that the salient difference between Gitmo and Auschwitz?
torture done by sadistic people who thought they were superior ( Nazi's & KR) & drs (Nazi's ) experimenting vs torture to gain info ( Gitmo)
So are you saying 'Yes, the salient difference between Auschwitz and Gitmo is the difference between physical and mental torture.'? If so, I disagree. Places like Auschwitz and S-21 are in a different category than Gitmo. If you like we can explore the other (more significant) differences, but I would think it should be obvious to most. If not, it doesn't really address my point that people aren't brought up to believe the kinds of things that happened in S-21 or Auschwitz were normal.

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