Lookout! Here come the Chineses!

juansweetpotato · Post by **juansweetpotato** » Tue Mar 08, 2016 9:30 am

jessy101 wrote:I wanted to study Chinese since I was young but I end up with English.

Well at least it wasn't Russian you learnt. Don't forget with English you can learn just about any subject you choose and make money. Chinese is more about just making money to me. And as the Grinch said, if you work for a Chinese business in Cambodia you will probably get paid less than if you work for a western one. ASEAN is the key perhaps, and ASEAN is still dong global business with the west and India. English is the global business language for a few years yet.

That's from my angle. As a Cambodian, how do you see the benefits of learning Chinese Jessie?

bolueeleh · Post by **bolueeleh** » Tue Mar 08, 2016 9:36 am

learn anything you want, just make sure you go through it, had many staff learn halfway through and gave up, as with many endeavour that this country makes.

for me i have a personal disdain for chinese, they are a nation of people who got rich super fast while social etiquette has not quite caught up yet.

TheGrinchSR · Post by **TheGrinchSR** » Tue Mar 08, 2016 9:44 am

bolueeleh wrote:learn anything you want, just make sure you go through it, had many staff learn halfway through and gave up, as with many endeavour that this country makes.

for me i have a personal disdain for chinese, they are a nation of people who got rich super fast while social etiquette has not quite caught up yet.

Common error based on observed conditions rather than reality. In truth a tiny fraction of Chinese people got rich super fast. More than 300 million Chinese still live on less than $1.25 a day and the vast majority of Chinese make less than $300 a month. This is why the fantasy of getting rich on Chinese spending will be a fantasy throughout our lifetimes and probably those of our grandchildren's too.

bolueeleh · Post by **bolueeleh** » Tue Mar 08, 2016 9:53 am

TheGrinchSR wrote:Common error based on observed conditions rather than reality. In truth a tiny fraction of Chinese people got rich super fast. More than 300 million Chinese still live on less than $1.25 a day and the vast majority of Chinese make less than $300 a month. This is why the fantasy of getting rich on Chinese spending will be a fantasy throughout our lifetimes and probably those of our grandchildren's too.

sorry i meant rich enough to be classified as middle class and able to go on vacation abroad, anyway from what i observe and reports many of the chinese tourists had problems with following other countries cultures, traditions and rules, to some extent even basic human courtesy, that why thailand and so many countries reported so many problems with them, toilets fiasco, defacing egyptian monuments etc

lurcio · Post by **lurcio** » Tue Mar 08, 2016 12:00 pm

I chatted with a middle class Chinese woman in her early 20s who was traveling independently with a couple of her friends (good on them). Her English proficiency was exceptional (probably better than mine) and it turned out she worked for one of the Party's newspapers back home. She knew the idiom 'toeing the (Party) line' but when I used the word 'propaganda' she looked blankly at me and asked what the word meant. Having explained the meaning and spelt it to her she was clearly disappointed that she had not been taught it during her studies in China. It made me wonder if the word even appears in the dictionaries in China.

qinjingyou · Post by **qinjingyou** » Tue Mar 08, 2016 1:18 pm

lurcio wrote:I chatted with a middle class Chinese woman in her early 20s who was traveling independently with a couple of her friends (good on them). Her English proficiency was exceptional (probably better than mine) and it turned out she worked for one of the Party's newspapers back home. She knew the idiom 'toeing the (Party) line' but when I used the word 'propaganda' she looked blankly at me and asked what the word meant. Having explained the meaning and spelt it to her she was clearly disappointed that she had not been taught it during her studies in China. It made me wonder if the word even appears in the dictionaries in China.

It does. They use it in the older meaning though, more like 'propagation'. I had a number of college graduates show me résumés where they listed 'Member of the Propaganda Committee' . I always suggested they change it to 'Public Relations' as that sounded better.
All Chinese university students are required to study English and to pass the "Ban 4" (Chinese English Test level 4) to graduate.
A few of them are effectively bi-lingual.

ot mien kampf · Post by **ot mien kampf** » Tue Mar 08, 2016 4:39 pm

Rutiger wrote:Cambodia is not a player in the global economy by any stretch of the imagination and never will be. The country is becoming more and more practically a poor, distant province of China. English language proficiency will be as useful to Cambodians going forward as it has been for French language proficiency....a waste of effort.

You're right about the Chinese province part but wrong about English. The weak link is Khmer language. Eventually it will be like the Philippines where everyone can talk English/Chinese for almost every formal interaction but will also be able to talk the shit in colloquial Khmer.

qinjingyou · Post by **qinjingyou** » Tue Mar 08, 2016 5:41 pm

ot mien kampf wrote:
You're right about the Chinese province part but wrong about English. The weak link is Khmer language. Eventually it will be like the Philippines where everyone can talk English/Chinese for almost every formal interaction but will also be able to talk the shit in colloquial Khmer.

It doesn't seem far from that now. Both the Chinese province and the language use. Chinese and English will handle most things now, with Khmer for government folk and my landlord.

Sailorman · Post by **Sailorman** » Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:00 am

Cambodia Daily says that the immigration police are conducting an investigation into a casino in Sihanoukville that has 60 Chinese possibly doing internet scams. Sounds like the unfinished Emario marina project in Hawaii beach, Sihanoukville. They just opened a casino (empty of customers) and there are a bunch of Chinese doing some kind of internet work in the building.

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