Cambo V Thai

Post by **Jamie_Lambo** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:17 am

CowshedCowboyRedux wrote:
plakapong wrote:Thanks for all the replies chaps all very much appreciated, I'll delve deeper into your forum for more answers.
As to comparing housing costs, I pay 8k bt a month for a 2 bed bungalow, running costs are neglible but I am on the outskirts of Pattaya (well spotted). The city is a nightmare these days for expats, completely gridlocked at weekends, holidays of which there are too many and high season when it kicks in.

Snooky was just an idea, I have a friend who owns a resort there which is why I mentioned it. Any other suggestions would be welcome but I guess to really make my mind up I will have to visit, the point of this exercise was to gather more info rather than relying on what I hear from sexpats.
Cheers
I can relate to your situation. I fancied giving Cambodia a shot for a year due to a combination of jadedness with Pattaya and the development/success in the last 10 years, but also to see whether I was missing out on something for the long term. I'd only ever been to Phnom Penh and only for a week at a time albeit for the last probably 10-15 years. I spent about 6 months in SHV on a couple of visits, 4 months in SR, a couple of weeks in Battambang and as usual some time in between in Phnom Penh. I found each place distinctly different. I was always told that Sihanoukville was like what Pattaya was like 20 years ago, well that's a load of shite for a start. I like the fact that Cambodia's completely different to Thailand and it's why I keep visiting, if I could get the same up the road why would I bother coming. I found Siem Reap hard work expat wise because I felt there is a combination of expats trying to westernise the place either for commercial gain or personal comfort, or those that need to inflict their short term need for charitable endeavour on the local populace. I made an effort to socialise but I found it a bit cliquey and not really my scene, Sihanoukville is probably more my kind of friendly laid back expat scene, people just doing their own thing with nothing to prove and I enjoyed it. I didn't feel particularly safe at night and the stories that get reported more or less confirmed its a place I wouldn't feel comfortable living long term. Which brings me to Phnom Penh, I've had great times and memories over the years, to me it's a small city. I find it very easy to socialise there but unless I had a job I think I'd go mad after about 3 months. It doesn't surprise me that people self destruct on a regular basis. What do people do in Phnom Penh if they don't work ?

What I'm trying to get at is that in many ways it's not just the place that's solely important but the people that you are able to build up friendships with, and I realised that after a year of travelling I was fortunate to have the network that I have at home, and I just needed to alter my routine to cope with the stresses of living in modern day Pattaya. The other thing I realised is I haven't done enough travelling around the country because I've become lazy, so is rural Thailand really that different from rural Cambodia.

Go for it and see how you find it, but honestly I wouldn't be using political instability as a reason. Just my personal thoughts.

good post, ive lived in SR and spent most my time here living in SHV and spent countless weeks in PP, one thing im doing when i get back to Cambodia is exploring more of the country, i started doing it just before i popped back to england and want to see the rest, sihanoukville is a lazy town, and you definitely get stuck in stuckville

ExPenhMan · Post by **ExPenhMan** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 2:07 am

Some very good assessments of Cambodia and Thailand. I've lived in Bangkok (3x), Pattaya (2x, where I am now), Phnom Penh and Mekong Delta, VN. Have visited lots of Thai towns but not so many Cambodian towns.

Cowshed wrote: ". . . I just needed to alter my routine to cope with the stresses of living in modern day Pattaya."

This is exactly where I am now and why I just decided to stay in Pattaya after months and months of looking for the right place. I hated Pattaya after three years. But after seeing what's missing in other TH and KH towns that are meaningful to me and seeing these things seemingly for the first time in Pattaya where they've been all along, I had to make the obvious choice and stay.

The examples from Richard's Phuket are also found in Pattaya, well, except for the beaches (which I don't care for anyway). I'm going to add to that the quality and variety of food and meal ingredients that can't be matched in PP or SR. It's astounding that such a small city has such a huge supply of everything from cheese from all over Europe to cold cuts of for every taste. I saw some awful meat offerings in PP and SR. The Pattaya Klang Big C Extra, for example, has a huge selection of hams for any palate. Then there's my favourite, the salad bars of Big C, Friendship, Villa and Foodland. All fresh and clean.

The one thing I have to change is to move from the east side of Sukhumvit (the Darkside) back to the bright lights so I can get walking again and leave the moto in the park. And also leave the dangerous and aggravating commute across the abominable construction along Sukhumvit.

Could go on and on but Pattaya's food services almost rival Bangkok's. But there's about 11 million fewer people here -- except on weekends. LOL

phuketrichard · Post by **phuketrichard** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 7:40 am

Anchor Moy wrote:I don't know Phuket, so I'll use PR's comparison here on the negative points:
phuketrichard wrote:ok;
lets take this to just the facts and not get personal,

Phuket:
Negative; Taxi/tuk tuk mafia, Terrible local bus system, Jet ski scams ( not often but and who uses jet skis anyway???), tailors in Patong, Karon, Kata that seem to hassle you, not the cheapest place to be in Thailand if you dont know where to go, Katoeys? the tourist love watching them on soi bangla an they are MUCH worse/aggressive in Pattaya

Shinoukvile;
Negative; Police constantly hassle you on the main road, bad roads, terrible medical care, lots of small time thefts/ robberies, beggars, parts very dirty, Westerners seem to die younger there than elsewhere, rip off motos/tuk tuks, no local bus system, poor selection of housing above $300 /month, end of the line girls in bars
OK; add to this an keep it on the facts

Seems to me that both places have bad or non-existant public transport and tuktuk ripoffs, so not much difference between the two. (As I said, I'm going by what's posted here.) Jetski scams are probably the same also - anyway, I would ban all jetskis if I was mayor/governor/god. So 1-1 for all that.
For the rest:
- cost of living and leisure expenses : Phuket expensive- SV cheap 0-1
-ladyboys : Phuket, agressive and annoying- SV, no problem, who cares anyway 0-1
-police : 1-0 I'll take your word for it that Thai cops never stop cars with Cambodian plates
COL, ladyboys and police : 2-1 for SV.

For the rest: Phuket is in Thailand, which is not at all like its neighbour Cambodia: infrastructure, medical care, shopping malls, airports, variety of food and entertainment, and generally things that actually work (like electricity), can probably be considered as Thailand/Phuket strong points. Definitely, more choices for westerners. 1-0

However, Sihanoukville has a certain charm that you won't find in Phuket. It's still in construction stage, and is very much a small town as opposed to a city; traffic is low, life is laidback, living is cheap and most people are nice. But it is extremely SMALL town. So depends what you want and how you like to live. (See the sihanoukville vs Shitsville thread here : https://cambodiaexpatsonline.com/the-roa ... t7143.html )
So, my conclusion is that you have more in Phuket, but you pay for it. Not just money, but the hassles of modern living.

There is also the Siem Reap option, where everyone seems to be happy, no crime and corruption apparently. They have culture, cheese and everything is cool. Right guys ?

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Many on here keep writing Phuket when they should be writing Patong;
u wont find any lady boys working in bars OUTSIDE Patong;

UP the road from me here in Kamala u can find a very nice studio room, air con, wifi, furnished for $175, ( u can also get a thai style room non aire, semi furnished for under $125) better deal than Charlie Harpers. You can also get very nice one bedroom furnished condos for $300-400/month, You can also find the same in Patong back along Nai Ni Road
I Have never seen a cambo licensed car here LOL
Phuket is an island ,... not a town of which there are a few towns and villages on.
Local Street food is cheaper/better quality than Shv

IMO if you can choose where you want to live, then you're rich. The points don't really matter.

Bullshit; u choose where u want to live an make it work, being rich or poor.

Anchor Moy · Post by **Anchor Moy** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 8:51 am

phuketrichard wrote:
IMO if you can choose where you want to live, then you're rich. The points don't really matter.
Bullshit; u choose where u want to live an make it work, being rich or poor.

Ok; you misunderstand. Riches can be other things than money. My point was that not everybody can choose where they want to live, and those that can are fortunate. Just the fact that you can decide whether you want to live in Thailand or Cambodia makes you one of the fortunate, don't you agree ?

phuketrichard · Post by **phuketrichard** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:25 am

Anchor Moy wrote:
phuketrichard wrote:
IMO if you can choose where you want to live, then you're rich. The points don't really matter.
Bullshit; u choose where u want to live an make it work, being rich or poor.
Ok; you misunderstand. Riches can be other things than money. My point was that not everybody can choose where they want to live, and those that can are fortunate. Just the fact that you can decide whether you want to live in Thailand or Cambodia makes you one of the fortunate, don't you agree ?

If u mean cause i hold a us passport, yes i am fortunate
but than my Cambodian gf also chooses to live/work here and it costs and is a hassle but........

If u want live some where u will find a way to make it work be it thru working 2 jobs, marrying to stay, visa runs etc etc

You even have hundreds of thousands of Burmese that "choose" to live and work in Thailand legally or illegally.
Do u consider them fortunate?

Post by **Jamie_Lambo** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 1:59 pm

phuketrichard wrote:
Anchor Moy wrote:
phuketrichard wrote:
IMO if you can choose where you want to live, then you're rich. The points don't really matter.
Bullshit; u choose where u want to live an make it work, being rich or poor.
Ok; you misunderstand. Riches can be other things than money. My point was that not everybody can choose where they want to live, and those that can are fortunate. Just the fact that you can decide whether you want to live in Thailand or Cambodia makes you one of the fortunate, don't you agree ?
If u mean cause i hold a us passport, yes i am fortunate
but than my Cambodian gf also chooses to live/work here and it costs and is a hassle but........

If u want live some where u will find a way to make it work be it thru working 2 jobs, marrying to stay, visa runs etc etc

You even have hundreds of thousands of Burmese that "choose" to live and work in Thailand legally or illegally.
Do u consider them fortunate?

i think youre reading to much into the saying, its just a saying not a rule, but its still a good saying, the important word is the word "Choose/choice" not the word "rich"
"if you can choose" = have the freedom
"then you are rich" = have a fortunate life

the burmese that come to thailand and end up living a better life than they do back home then yes they are fortunate
the burmese that come over because they are so poor and working shit jobs that they hate because they are desperate for the money and have no opportunities back home, they are not really "choosing" to live in thailand but are forced to do due to their circumstances

i am also a believer that anyone can achieve anything if they want to, like all my friends back home that constantly tell me "you are so lucky" "i wish i could do what you do" when were talking about me living abroad, and i tell them, i'm not lucky, no one has "given" me any money that i use to travel, ive grafted hard all my life on building sites, i made countless sacrifices in order to save up every penny i earn, thats not lucky thats dedication, anyone can do it if you put your mind to it, but people here like to go out and waste their money "partying" or buying stupid "materialistic things" whenever im back in England i live by a "Want/need" basis, do i really need this, or is it just wanting it... i am lucky i have a great family though, and lucky to come from a country that offers free highschool education/health service, that provides many equal opportunities, same cant be said for the poor people in countries like burma/cambodia, some people are less fortunate, in rural cambodia, many wont see much further than their province, let alone another country

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