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JP, your thoughts on closing Aboriginal communities?

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ABC article - Abbot supports WA State Government moves to close remote communities as unsustainable "lifestyle choices":

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-10/t ... es/6295296
Tony Abbott backs closure of remote Indigenous communities, says living in them a 'lifestyle choice'
By Rebecca Curtin

Prime Minister Tony Abbott has backed a WA Government proposal to close a number of remote Indigenous communities, saying it is not the taxpayer's job to subsidise people's "lifestyle choices".

The WA Government flagged the closure of up to 150 of the state's remote Aboriginal communities after the Federal Government, which funded about two thirds of the state's remote Indigenous settlements, announced in September it was transitioning that responsibility to the states over the next two years.

Speaking in Kalgoorlie, Mr Abbott said it was up to the state to decide what services it would deliver and where.

He said the decision to close communities was not unreasonable if the cost of providing services, where there are no schools or jobs, was excessive.

"What we can't do is endlessly subsidise lifestyle choices if those lifestyle choices are not conducive to the kind of full participation in Australian society that everyone should have," he said.

"In order to get kids to school and adults to work, you've got to have a school.

"If people choose to live miles away from where there's a school, if people choose not to access the school of the air, if people choose to live where there's no jobs, obviously it's very, very difficult to close the gap.

"It is not unreasonable for the State Government to say if the cost of providing services in a particular remote location is out of all proportion to the benefits being delivered, fine by all means live in a remote location, but there's a limit to what you can expect the state to do for you if you want to live there."

Concerns over effect on Aboriginal and business community

The KalgoorlieBoulder Chamber of Commerce and Industry's Hugh Gallagher said the Prime Minister should be concerned about the profound impact it would have on Aboriginal culture and the business community.

"He needs to certainly be aware of it and that's actually an issue of business significance and community significance," he said.

"It has the potential to change the complexion of this city in particular over the next decade.

"I would ask him where that fits within the Government's policy on closing the gap? Because it is just so important that regional culture is retained and sadly it begins to shrink when it's in capital cities."

Laverton Shire president Patrick Hill said there was too much uncertainty at the moment and people were extremely worried.

Mr Hill said he had not been told if the three Aboriginal communities surrounding his shire would be closed or where those people would be housed within the small northern Goldfields town.

"In Laverton we've got three communities the Mulga Queen, Cosmo Newberry and Mount Margaret and we haven't heard if any of those will be closing yet," he said.

"The biggest thing we're concerned about is closing down these communities and moving the residents into the regional centres like Laverton, Leonora or KalgoorlieBoulder without housing.

"Where do these people get moved to after the communities close and what happens to them? What resources are going to be provided to them to move? "We don't want them all camping out underneath the trees around the town, they are going to need housing and that's
our concern.

"We don't want people moved out of the areas that they've come from."
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I have found a place for those abbo's to move to. The PM does not need it as he already has a large house . Now just think of the advantages in closing a abbo community and moving them to Kirribilly house. For a start think of the money saved that can go to propping up our gov debt. I am sure Tony will go for that idea.
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Fucking appalling, insensitive showers of shit somehow managed to find themselves in charge in both Canberra and Perth. Thankfully QLD woke up from their stupor, next it will be NSW and then, after three ruinous years, the Australian people will be able to rid themselves of these deceitful, lying scumbags once and for all. If there is anything that will be etched into the Aussie psyche, it will be to never trust those slimy LNP toads ever again.
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neuropathic wrote:Fucking appalling, insensitive showers of shit somehow managed to find themselves in charge in both Canberra and Perth. Thankfully QLD woke up from their stupor, next it will be NSW and then, after three ruinous years, the Australian people will be able to rid themselves of these deceitful, lying scumbags once and for all. If there is anything that will be etched into the Aussie psyche, it will be to

never trust those slimy LNP toads ever again.
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Fuck off, idiot. Gillard was the most effective Prime Minister Australia has ever had.

"Julia Gillard had the highest rate of passing legislation with a rate of 0.495, followed by Bob Hawke at 0.491"
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablo ... e-minister

You are a sucker who believed all the lies the Murdoch press threw at you.

"By and large, the mainstream media fuelled these separate but powerful agendas by refusing to accept the legitimacy of the minority government with Julia Gillard at the helm. Her many achievements went largely unproclaimed while her mistakes were amplified – and continually referenced. Instead of delivering dispassionate reporting, seasoned journalists and broadcasters became players in the game."
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Back on topic. Abbott, hot on the heels of his beloved mentor, Howard, is happy to demonise the Aboriginal people, despite his pre-election pledge that he would represent them at the highest level.

"Aboriginal Australians awoke on Sunday morning to find they had a new "Prime Minister for Indigenous Affairs", a pledge Tony Abbott delivered during the 2013 election campaign."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-12/g ... rs/4951900

As is par for this lying cunce course, Abbott did not end up taking on the Indigenous Affairs portfolio after all, passing it on to a complete non-entity neither you, nor anyone else, has ever heard of before, or from since. Typical useless, spineless, coalition newt.

"The Australian Minister for Indigenous Affairs is Senator the Hon. Nigel Scullion, since 18 September 2013."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minister_f ... us_Affairs_(Australia)

Now fuck off back to the playpen with the other pathetic, pointless LNP drones.
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Whatever. It's short-term thinking. It's punishing people because of their origins.
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abbot is a londoner, gillard is welsh
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Anchor Moy wrote:Whatever. It's short-term thinking. It's punishing people because of their origins.
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What would be your suggestion on how to handle troubled, remote Aboriginal settlements?
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This is nothing to do with "troubled" settlements, merely the latest excuse to strip those communities of their dignity. These people are citizens, whether the state likes it or not, and have a right to be provided with services and facilities on their traditional lands. Tight LNP cunce are just trying to screw tight a budget blown out by their own ineptitude. Barnett has taken WA from a solid financial position to a precarious one. All of these expenses, of course, could easily be met by a mining tax, but oh no, those LNP cunce have scuttled that because Gina and co blackmailed them into doing so.
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Soi Dog wrote:
Anchor Moy wrote:Whatever. It's short-term thinking. It's punishing people because of their origins.
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What would be your suggestion on how to handle troubled, remote Aboriginal settlements?

My personal opinion is that it is not a good idea in general to force people to relocate to urban centres.
Sometimes it is necessary for the state to subsidize services outside of these centres in order to maintain a balance between rural and urban living. Otherwise, we should all live where it is most economically viable for the state. :( Why pick on the aboriginal communities, when many small towns or farming communities are in the same position regarding state subsidies ?

Seems like some discussion is needed. I really don't like the idea of the govt imposing "lifestyle choices" on one section of Australian society, and to Aboriginal people in particular. It has a whiff of paternalism. And there doesn't seem to have been any planning beyond the "close the settlements" stage. The social problems already present might prove to be even worse in an urban setting. They are not going to disappear.

What do you suggest SD? Do you know WA at all ?
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