The face of pure evil?

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Re: The face of pure evil?

Post by Drifter » Sun Aug 10, 2014 3:30 pm

she's right.

not a single american armyman has been condemned for the bombings in Cambodia, Laos, and Vietnam, why only khmers are being called into this show-trial run by western countries ?
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Re: The face of pure evil?

Post by frank lee bent » Sun Aug 10, 2014 3:36 pm

her blue eyes are due to cataracts
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Re: The face of pure evil?

Post by Soi Dog » Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:50 pm

Joon wrote: Though, we (you and I) would never know the choices we would make under the same circumstances.
That's what is the hardest part to come to grips with. It's not always about "good people" vs. "evil people".** It's often not us vs. them. It's usually "we". They are us. It's good actions vs. bad actions...and those good and bad actions don't seem to be nearly as clear cut to people in certain circumstances.

Given the absolute power over the lives of defenseless people, how many of us would abuse that power? History shows me the percentage is staggeringly high, and that seems to cross all racial, ethnic and geographical lines.

** then after I wrote this, I viewed some video footage shot from mobile phones in Syria/Iraq showing ISIS psychopaths cold-bloodedly and unmercifully beating and murdering hundreds and hundreds of defenseless, bound and blindfolded people in some horrifically evil ways...and I have to question my initial premise. God help us all.
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Re: The face of pure evil?

Post by Tim Linkinwater » Mon Aug 11, 2014 4:33 pm

^ I generally expect the very worst of the human race, but that ISIS stuff is heart-breaking.

Roots could be likened to the emergence of KR: People sick of being bombed etc. by a foreign power.

Whatever. It's just plain sad.
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Re: The face of pure evil?

Post by Pizzalover » Mon Aug 11, 2014 8:58 pm

Her statements mirror language by German Nazis. There is a lot of good literature on this. The works on Eichmann in Jerusalem come to mind.

I would be careful to equate her with us. She was part of an elite, promoting an ideology, and also her career. She was not a random KR member happening to be at a certain place and ordered to pull the trigger. It is pretty clear that she played a leading role in orchestrating mass murder.

The international tribunal is pretty professional in picking key figures as long as they have solid evidence. Thus, is not a simple show but a realistic process.

@ Drifter
To call this tribunal a show trial says all about the poster and nothing about these hard working people. Show trials we know from the Stalinist era. Do you in any way have anything to say which could, perhaps, remotely make sure point at least a little credible? I m sure you don't. Perhaps you fail to understand a very basic point. These international tribunals mark a historic achievement. Which? Very simple, they limit the state's power over its citizens. The tribunals are our very best option, aside from armed intervention, that such crimes might be prevented. Arresting some of those African butchers and putting them on trial has sent a clear message to some of the same kind. Look at the statements at a past African Union Meeting where indicted politicians argued that they should enjoy international impunity. In other words, the process works to some extent.

The remark about the pilots is also somewhat, let's say, less imaginative. Because these pilots were not tried - you avoid telling on what grounds - nobody should be tried. A great idea and criminals around the world will applaud. Apply your logic to other areas of law, say burglary and you see what kind of nonsense you're talking. Holding all criminals to account never worked and will probably remain a goal forever. Therefore, abandoning law is a childish thought.

Clearly, US military personnel enjoys a remarkable degree of legal protection. So did past dictators. The best way forward is chipping inch by inch of that impunity. This is the only way to make this planet a bit safer for people like us.
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Re: The face of pure evil?

Post by Drifter » Tue Aug 12, 2014 12:59 am

Pizzalover wrote: @ Drifter
To call this tribunal a show trial says all about the poster and nothing about these hard working people. Show trials we know from the Stalinist era. Do you in any way have anything to say which could, perhaps, remotely make sure point at least a little credible? I m sure you don't. Perhaps you fail to understand a very basic point. These international tribunals mark a historic achievement. Which? Very simple, they limit the state's power over its citizens. The tribunals are our very best option, aside from armed intervention, that such crimes might be prevented. Arresting some of those African butchers and putting them on trial has sent a clear message to some of the same kind. Look at the statements at a past African Union Meeting where indicted politicians argued that they should enjoy international impunity. In other words, the process works to some extent.

The remark about the pilots is also somewhat, let's say, less imaginative. Because these pilots were not tried - you avoid telling on what grounds - nobody should be tried. A great idea and criminals around the world will applaud. Apply your logic to other areas of law, say burglary and you see what kind of nonsense you're talking. Holding all criminals to account never worked and will probably remain a goal forever. Therefore, abandoning law is a childish thought.

Clearly, US military personnel enjoys a remarkable degree of legal protection. So did past dictators. The best way forward is chipping inch by inch of that impunity. This is the only way to make this planet a bit safer for people like us.

Either the law is the same for everybody or it's just double standards and winners rewriting history, which is exactly what the US and UK did since WW1.

And by the way, i'm not taking any shit from indoctrinated yanks waving their stars and stripes banner, thanks.
Discussing with you guys looks like a big waste of time, i'm only replying because i've got a few emails telling me my karma has have been lowered ... i don't even know what it means, feel free to keep yourself in denial and have a nice day !
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Re: The face of pure evil?

Post by ali baba » Tue Aug 12, 2014 11:46 am

Good post Pizzalover, it's a shame Drifter could only respond with an ad homonym.
Pizzalover wrote:Clearly, US military personnel enjoys a remarkable degree of legal protection. So did past dictators. The best way forward is chipping inch by inch of that impunity. This is the only way to make this planet a bit safer for people like us.
The ICJ and other international courts risk losing their legitimacy if they're only used to prosecute black Africans. I wouldn't expect many countries to play along with the farce much longer. The USA is clearly a world leader in terror campaigns and is simultaneously untouchable.
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Re: The face of pure evil?

Post by Pizzalover » Tue Aug 12, 2014 1:58 pm

@Drifter,
well you correctly state that the law has to be the same for all. But then you dismiss an international court and legal tradition that was created in order to make law applicable to all. Namely, that national jurisdiction cannot be used to shelter criminals from prosecution who have committed exceptional grave crimes.

I did not see anyone waving banners here on the thread and you seem to misunderstand the entire thread. Nobody justified or tried to rationalize the targeted bombings of rural communities by a super power in a neutral country. We had discussed this before and it surely constitutes a war-crime. In another thread, I wrote that I do not expect that anything will happen as long as Kissinger is alive. This man has a dirty record and is responsible for more than one crime. He left behind a trail of blood from South America to the Middle East to South-East Asia.

At the same time, it is most important not to mix things up. You cannot mix crimes that were committed years after the bombings with the bombings. It simply does not work. All importantly, there were different command structures, strategic goals, and an entirely different set of actors. I use a neutral term because to do otherwise I lack the necessary precise knowledge and we should not randomly assume guilt.

Sadly, your point of view just coincides with that of people you surely do not want to be associated with. Maybe you will take another look at the whole matter and rethink. Your sentiment is well-understood and shared. Nobody should be able to kill people, that is also potentially us, and get away with it.
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Re: The face of pure evil?

Post by Drifter » Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:06 pm

ali baba wrote: it's a shame Drifter could only respond with an ad homonym.
well, should i start discussing in depth about complex topics with people that clearly lack the required political and geopolitical background ?

i wrote two lines pointing out one single and simple remark and of course the rednecks here hate to face the ugly truth, that's all i need to know about them ...

it seems to be still a taboo to criticize the US involvement in the wars of Indochina and the millions of deaths caused by US bombing in Vietnam, Laos, and Indochina, and the total impunity they got away with it along with the full support they gave to the Khmer Rouge after 1979 until 1993.

as long as americans don't accept the US Army is guilty of horrible crimes there's nothing i can discuss with them, they're totally in denial and they've been indoctrinated since birth about america being the land of free and sceriff of the world, it's even worse than in the former USSR because the russian at least were more than aware they were told a pile of BS, american instead believe their own shit and are hellbent on their twisted worldview.
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Re: The face of pure evil?

Post by ali baba » Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:23 pm

Drifter, this thread is about Im Chim. If you want to discuss Nixon or Kissinger I suggest you start a new thread rather than complain that others aren't being led off topic easily enough.
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