they are not as there is no sewage piping i am told

wackyjacky wrote:

frank lee bent wrote:the usn seabees built some treatment lagoons but nothing goes in there i hear.
wonder what the big hotels do?

I've seen them. They're 1/2 way to Otres. Don't know if they're operational.

They went online in 2006??? http://cnv.org.kh/en/?p=2857

Since then the amount of sewage / waste water has risen drastically and when it overflows it goes into ChheuTeal creek and exits to the sea at the far end of the beach.

Also blockages and breaks in the pipes means it regularly escapes at various places and heads downhill towards the beach and out to sea.

I don't swim at Ochheuteal beach full stop.

Well, I told you guys I was going to pay attention. I even took notes since I had finished my book. We took Giant Ibis SHV-PP Sat. It was all 1x1 from the port until Krong Cbar Mon about 3hrs & 50 mins into a 5hr trip (or 178/222 km). We passed 100 trucks, but there was always another one. Petrol mainly. From there to PNH it was a mixture of 1x1, 3 total, & 2x2. From PNH to Night Market it was 2x2 with occasional 3x3, but really slow. Averaged 49 km/hr discounting the 20 min piss break.

I have yet to see a single sturdy built road in the kingdom starting with the various work in progress on the main highways (paying the AZ ticket is a total scam and cost time and petrol by adding three unnecessary stops to a standstill).

Meanwhile in Thailand,IMO they might nowadays, build and maintain overall better roads than Europe or the USA can afford.

This pic was taken 6 months ago in Jomtien as they were rebuilding the coastal road toward the end of the beach, area that was until now underdevelopped. I find the thickness quite impressive especially for the low speed and mainly light vehicules intended usage but maybe were they taking into account the beach moving inland.
You can see that there was already a concrete road underneath (which I can remember being good compare to Kh standards)
That will probably give a finished road over 50cm thick + whatever underneath preparative layers.

I don't have pictures but when the thai renovated Hat Lek to Trat road a few years back, they went 2 meters deep for fundations and bases layers (when Cambodia side immediately after the border is mainly broken concrete, dirt and potholes that never saw any repairs in the past 15 years). To build such a quality road I wonder if the thais could have been thinking of possible tanks circulation compatibility needs ?

wackyjacky wrote:Well, I told you guys I was going to pay attention. I even took notes since I had finished my book. We took Giant Ibis SHV-PP Sat. It was all 1x1 from the port until Krong Cbar Mon about 3hrs & 50 mins into a 5hr trip (or 178/222 km). We passed 100 trucks, but there was always another one. Petrol mainly. From there to PNH it was a mixture of 1x1, 3 total, & 2x2. From PNH to Night Market it was 2x2 with occasional 3x3, but really slow. Averaged 49 km/hr discounting the 20 min piss break.

how are you counting the areas where it's 2x2 (and sometimes 3x3) near the markets, but the market vendors have completely taken over and dominated them back down to 1x1?

which is easily solved based on how the market dominating the T intersection between charlie harpers and CT clinic got sorted out almost instantly when they stationed a couple of cops there handing out fines.

Yeah, but they didn't amount to much > a mile total, including the areas around the toll booths. They were widening an area in garmentville where it went back to 1x1 so it kinda evens out.

wackyjacky wrote:Yeah, but they didn't amount to much > a mile total, including the areas around the toll booths. They were widening an area in garmentville where it went back to 1x1 so it kinda evens out.

Yeah, the construction does offset it a bit when you're setting waiting for the 1 open lane to be your turn. I was amazed to see actual flag operators controlling the traffic at both ends.

What I do know of our trip (despite the naps) was that we left sv at 10:30 (taxi) and arrived pp (airport) at around 1. So 2.5 hours with a 15-20 min stop off for piss/soup/etc.

Also, measuring in time is sort of a misnomer, because on 1x1 roads it means you'll likely be traveling slower. so if it's half the time of the trip, it's likely less than half of the distance.

obviously this is variable on a number of factors...

"We took Giant Ibis SHV-PP Sat. It was all 1x1 from the port until Krong Cbar Mon about 3hrs & 50 mins into a 5hr trip (or 178/222 km)." I measured it both ways OD. Believe it or not, according to my notes it was actually faster during the 1x1 stretches (RT) because of factory, PNH, & PP traffic.