Sihanoukville Beach Businesses Given a Month To Move Out

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Yep, I understand....

What else can they do?

Plus the people who thought they have signed something legit thinking they have a long-term secure lease agreement (and perhaps been scammed??) and now find out that in fact they have nothing to stand on!

mmmmmmmmmm....... :unknown:
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I was wondering who was the landlord at Otres, surely it can't be private landlords if it's state land. If you have signed a lease with one that gave you more than a month you would chase them for rent, not the government's problem. If it is a month to month lease you shouldn't have paid ten grand or spent all your cash on a fancy bar area. I always assumed that the bars on Occheuteal were all fairly shitty structures for this reason. I was down at Otres 2 beach on Sunday, drinking at Tamu and all the hotels along there seem to have fairly substantial structures in the beach. They certainly trashed all the walls up at Independence beach but apparently they were put up by the old governor so not really surprising they did them first.
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I actually have the same question, especially if some people are saying that they have a "long-term bullet-proof" (?) lease agreement? With whom exactly??

Unless the lessor had soft title?

I heard that the beaches/foreshore have 'always been 'Royal Land' - is that the same as 'Crown Land' in western countries???

I am still getting my head around 'soft-title' - is soft title technically a right of abode on 'crown' land? So it can be pulled out from underneath you in any event???
(That is until as such time as you apply to get 'hard title'?)....

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Anchor Moy wrote:Image

Sihanoukville beach vendors protest eviction notice.
http://m.phnompenhpost.com/national/sih ... ign=buffer
Those photos they are carrying are so sad. It's as if they are praying for a divine intervention (which they sort of are.)



I agree with them ?
And when I die and go to hell, I will be holding up a placard of the devil and protesting, if its too hot down there.
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I probably did not explain myself correctly there....


In respect of soft-title, I did not mean a 'right of abode' per se, I just meant you could 'stay' there until someone comes along and tells you to move on, unless you have applied for hard-title - in which case you end up with indefeasible title...
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gavinbrisbane wrote:I actually have the same question, especially if some people are saying that they have a "long-term bullet-proof" (?) lease agreement? With whom exactly??

Unless the lessor had soft title?

I heard that the beaches/foreshore have 'always been 'Royal Land' - is that the same as 'Crown Land' in western countries???

I am still getting my head around 'soft-title' - is soft title technically a right of abode on 'crown' land? So it can be pulled out from underneath you in any event???
(That is until as such time as you apply to get 'hard title'?)....

:unknown:


AFAIK soft title is Sangkat/village title, a sort of squatters/occupiers title, hard title means you own the land on the government register. I think it's for ELCs and the like, you have some rights of abode/use but can be kicked off when the underlying owners want it back. You can convert soft to hard by paying and I assume if they can't find the actual owner you can have it. You can have land taken off you if you aren't using it productively here. Nobody can own the shoreline.
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That is what I pretty much thought.....

So at the end of the day, these business owners are virtually screwed... either which way.... especially if on the foreshore and "Nobody can own the shoreline" cptrelentless....

The question still arises as to who the lessor is? A month to month lease though...and it is well known?

What a predicament to be in....

This seems to have been occurring all over the country the past few months - especially if persons are residing or running a business beside a some kind of water 'source'... (river/beach)

mmmmmmm :facepalm:
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Surely the businesses that don't own the land they have built on, will know their leases are temporary anyway ?

Bearing in mind the shoreline development in the last 2 years alone at Otres, including that half-built pier at Otres 2, perhaps its time for the development to be properly managed ?
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jaynewcastle wrote:Surely the businesses that don't own the land they have built on, will know their leases are temporary anyway ?

Bearing in mind the shoreline development in the last 2 years alone at Otres, including that half-built pier at Otres 2, perhaps its time for the development to be properly managed ?
"Everyone" knew that any constructions on the beachfront were temporary - that's the idea of the beachshacks. I think for these owners the big problem is that they didn't know when the axe would fall, and then they get just one month's notice during high season. I'm thinking of Occheuteal here. And you've got Chiva Shack for example that has just spent a lot of money redoing their bar - that must suck big time.
As for Otres, there's been some crazy construction out there. It has been cleared before, so it's difficult to understand why anyone would dare to presume that it couldn't happen again, and build on regardless. This was going to happen "one day", and now that day is March 13.

However, IMO this does not mean that finally the beachfront will be "properly managed". There is a good chance that everything will be cleared, and then the land will remain unoccupied, until the previous tenants move back or other people move in. Rince and repeat.
This is just my opinion after watching the way things usually work. I don't have inside contacts or telepathy, so of course I could be totally wrong and this could be the dawn of a new era for S-ville. :OD:
Will be interesting to see what happens.
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Anchor Moy wrote: I'm thinking of Occheuteal here. And you've got Chiva Shack for example that has just spent a lot of money redoing their bar - that must suck big time.
So, Chiva Shack and all the others along there, and back the other way toward Serendipity have to go?

This will definitely be interesting.
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