Porcupine Meat and Other Wildlife Seized in Pursat
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plenty of hunters in Kansas...Even women love it.
But, you are right about feral hogs and deer.
The feds squashed the locals from shooting feral hogs and said they would handle it in 2006...
That was a clusterfuck...
That program disappeared..My buddies can't shoot feral hogs fast enough...
Just like deer...Too many deer...great for auto body shops...They limit deer tags and the population has run amok. dangerous as fuck sun rise...sun set..
I sure hate to see big cats and exotics killed for beer snacks...I have had some odd things offered by Khmers I have drunk with.
Back in the USA, my friends could drive into town and buy anything they want. They raise fowl, cattle, hogs...you name it....But, they love to hunt and eat game.
It has nothing to fucking do with being civilized.
That is just pure ignorance..
I am a fisherman.
I quit hunting 40 years ago.
I practice catch and release most of the time.
I eat what I keep unless I donate it to my guide.
I wish people would only hunt game that was plentiful and fish with common sense.
But, it is a learning process for people.
All the civilized gents in Europe wanted a beaver hat a couple hundred years ago...The French trappers obliged and trapped the beaver to near extinction in North America...over a fucking hat.
But, you are right about feral hogs and deer.
The feds squashed the locals from shooting feral hogs and said they would handle it in 2006...
That was a clusterfuck...
That program disappeared..My buddies can't shoot feral hogs fast enough...
Just like deer...Too many deer...great for auto body shops...They limit deer tags and the population has run amok. dangerous as fuck sun rise...sun set..
I sure hate to see big cats and exotics killed for beer snacks...I have had some odd things offered by Khmers I have drunk with.
Back in the USA, my friends could drive into town and buy anything they want. They raise fowl, cattle, hogs...you name it....But, they love to hunt and eat game.
It has nothing to fucking do with being civilized.
That is just pure ignorance..
I am a fisherman.
I quit hunting 40 years ago.
I practice catch and release most of the time.
I eat what I keep unless I donate it to my guide.
I wish people would only hunt game that was plentiful and fish with common sense.
But, it is a learning process for people.
All the civilized gents in Europe wanted a beaver hat a couple hundred years ago...The French trappers obliged and trapped the beaver to near extinction in North America...over a fucking hat.
Re: Porcupine Meat and Other Wildlife Seized in Pursat
i just want a shaved beaver. A live one.
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Re: Porcupine Meat and Other Wildlife Seized in Pursat
Porcupine stomachs, just what I wanted.
Some people in remote areas do of course trap wild animals and eat them, but some I believe are sold to restaurants while a whole lot more go to merchants for export to Vietnam and China.
Some people in remote areas do of course trap wild animals and eat them, but some I believe are sold to restaurants while a whole lot more go to merchants for export to Vietnam and China.
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I don't know much about the US policies on wildlife but from my limited time there I was surprised how much forest and other wild country is so well preserved. Something this country could learn from.
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PORCUPINES ARE BEING hunted for onion-shaped masses of undigested plant material in their gut known as bezoars. According to leading wildlife trafficking experts, the small, spiny rodents are at risk of becoming endangered across Southeast Asia.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/anim ... -medicine/
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/anim ... -medicine/
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Re: Porcupine Meat and Other Wildlife Seized in Pursat
All over the provinces, there are BBQ restaurants and beer gardens that serve wildlife. This is upmarket food for the local elite and also food for special occasions for local people. As a foreigner, I've been invited to eat these "rare delicacies" when eating out with Khmers in the northern provinces. There is probably less wildlife available on local menus now, but since the restaurants can charge big prices for dishes "special for you sir and your friends", I imagine that the availability is still there, but that the prices have increased.
Times change. I will also out myself as someone who has eaten deer 'plear' on more than one occasion and it was exquisite. I was assured that the deer were not among the endangered species, but on reflection that's just BS really. You can't know where your deer meat comes from, and how and why it was killed. Animal in a trap, deer was eating the crops, local customs etc - I don't care what the excuse is, I am not going to make a scandal, but I think it's positive to say, thanks but no thanks, and explain why I don't feel ok with eating wildlife when it's offered.
Times change. I will also out myself as someone who has eaten deer 'plear' on more than one occasion and it was exquisite. I was assured that the deer were not among the endangered species, but on reflection that's just BS really. You can't know where your deer meat comes from, and how and why it was killed. Animal in a trap, deer was eating the crops, local customs etc - I don't care what the excuse is, I am not going to make a scandal, but I think it's positive to say, thanks but no thanks, and explain why I don't feel ok with eating wildlife when it's offered.
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Re: Porcupine Meat and Other Wildlife Seized in Pursat
Well said AM and pretty true about the flash trade.
but a lot of wild meat is still available quite cheaply. in places where it lives.
Local dirt poor hunters, or specialists - straight from the forest to the local restaurant back door.
or via the local entrepreneur, often one with a taxi
cash
Deer, mostly muntjak, and pig the most common and widespread.
But everything else, wherever it is too.
Every day of the week on some roads i know.
especially if you are with the right taxi driver.
but a lot of wild meat is still available quite cheaply. in places where it lives.
Local dirt poor hunters, or specialists - straight from the forest to the local restaurant back door.
or via the local entrepreneur, often one with a taxi
cash
Deer, mostly muntjak, and pig the most common and widespread.
But everything else, wherever it is too.
Every day of the week on some roads i know.
especially if you are with the right taxi driver.
Re: Porcupine Meat and Other Wildlife Seized in Pursat
Timely article on Canadian Broadcasting Corporation on the topic of wildlife markets in China and SE Asia: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/wildlife- ... -1.5510045
Re: Porcupine Meat and Other Wildlife Seized in Pursat
Yes I have seen the sale of the wildlife meat, sometime past on road 6 out of the big city you can see it on stalls lining the roadside. Koh Kong and the north of Preah Vihear around the large forests, I have seen sacks of tortoise in small hamlets.
So people know what the score is, so I would say the NGOs know too.
So people know what the score is, so I would say the NGOs know too.
Always "hope" but never "expect".
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There isn’t a strong leader that enjoys the hunting experience. Because that’s what happened in the US. The presidents enjoyed hunting. They saw the relationship between conservation of nature and wildlife management. Strong presidents created and expanded federal parks and preserve.
In Asia, the experience isn’t savored. Animals aren’t seen in cycle with nature, a resource to be managed, but merely one to be harvested as quickly as possible.
Also Chinese medicine needing parts from wild animals don’t help either.
Has anyone seen how some mainland Chinese get bear bile? They get a bear, chain it up, sedate it, do surgery so a tube goes directly into the gallbladder, put a tube in the mouth to the stomach, and then feed it a constant high fat diet. Voila, bear bile factory. Repeat by a few hundred thousand bears, and all the bears get to live.
In Asia, the experience isn’t savored. Animals aren’t seen in cycle with nature, a resource to be managed, but merely one to be harvested as quickly as possible.
Also Chinese medicine needing parts from wild animals don’t help either.
Has anyone seen how some mainland Chinese get bear bile? They get a bear, chain it up, sedate it, do surgery so a tube goes directly into the gallbladder, put a tube in the mouth to the stomach, and then feed it a constant high fat diet. Voila, bear bile factory. Repeat by a few hundred thousand bears, and all the bears get to live.
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