New form to keep track of foreigners in Kingdom- Foreigners Present in Cambodia System (FPCS)
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Re: New form to keep track of foreigners in Kingdom
If you create your own account you then control access to that account via your password.
If you take a screen shot of your House ID and details then you have it as proof.
If you take a screen shot of your House ID and details then you have it as proof.
Re: New form to keep track of foreigners in Kingdom
So why don’t you simply register before July?Kammekor wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:08 pmSo let's say I don't register, my visa expire on July 21st. Then what? Lock me up until the current crisis is over?Doc67 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:00 pmanyway, it's all moot for me, I can't even get in...Doc67 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 3:59 pmMaybe, but by linking it to visa renewals it gives them leverage. Besides, an App ref number = visa renewal. No App ref number = no visa renewal. Even they can't cock that up surely?Duncan wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 3:45 pmDoc67 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 3:35 pm This will also create a very useful database of properties owned by Cambodians and rented to foreigners and not included in any tax return. One more reason for the Cambodian owners not to comply.
Better to do it yourself and do it quickly. The more people that comply the less of an issue it will become. The more people who refuse the longer this will be in their in-tray and the more likely they will become more heavy handed.
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I would have thought the opposite , If no-one registers it will be put in the too hard basket , and like most things in KOW the rules will change tomorrow .
Implementing this during this time, with loads of people overstaying and promised an easy way out of this sh*t is a guarantee for failure. Any smart manager would have put it on hold until the situation went at least a bit back to normal.
I have a Korean family staying at one of my condos and today I received a letter asking me to register my tenants so it seems they are on top of this.
It makes no sense to argue if the onus is on the landlord or you, at the end of the day they’ll check if you are on it or not.
There has got to be some other reason than simply “counting the number of foreigners living in the country”. Everyone gets registered/scanned on the way in and on the way out anyway so there should be a perfect record. Apart from those that entered illegally but i guess they won’t apply for a Visa extension anyway.
Re: New form to keep track of foreigners in Kingdom
I was talking from a data integrity point of view. Form this point of view you only store data once. If you don't follow this rule you're fucked and the database gets out of control. It goes a bit far to explain the basics of databases here, but this is one of the basics, and it's one of the main basics. Not the one on page 119, but on page 1.clutchcargo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:29 pmIf you do it yourself and let's for argument sake, the landlord does it too, I agree that's an anomaly. But why should it be deleted? If they've got 2 registrations against the same passport/visa number, wouldn't they just think...good, both the landlord and the tenant have registered.Kammekor wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 3:42 pmIf I did it myself I would regularly check if my data / registration was still there. From a data integrity point of view a tenant with the same passport number as the landlord is an anomaly which should be avoided, and if exists, should be deleted.Doc67 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 3:35 pm This will also create a very useful database of properties owned by Cambodians and rented to foreigners and not included in any tax return. One more reason for the Cambodian owners not to comply.
Better to do it yourself and do it quickly. The more people that comply the less of an issue it will become. The more people who refuse the longer this will be in their in-tray and the more likely they will become more heavy handed.
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I mean I can talk to my landlord and ask him to do it but that doesn't mean that he will for the reasons doc67 mentioned.. And come the time I need to renew my visa extension, I wouldn't want to find out then that it hasn't been done.
For that reason I'm tempted to do it myself as well unless it unfolds that we definitely shouldn't be doing that. And yeah, I agree, having done that you'd want to check the status regularly to ensure it's not deleted..
This app is a can of worms.... Anyone can add data, and if the additions are incorrect the consequences might be fierce. I foresee they will get rid of it soon. A typical example of an IT solution for a problem in their internal organization.
Re: New form to keep track of foreigners in Kingdom
I don't register because:theKid wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:40 pmSo why don’t you simply register before July?Kammekor wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:08 pmSo let's say I don't register, my visa expire on July 21st. Then what? Lock me up until the current crisis is over?Doc67 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:00 pmanyway, it's all moot for me, I can't even get in...
Implementing this during this time, with loads of people overstaying and promised an easy way out of this sh*t is a guarantee for failure. Any smart manager would have put it on hold until the situation went at least a bit back to normal.
I have a Korean family staying at one of my condos and today I received a letter asking me to register my tenants so it seems they are on top of this.
It makes no sense to argue if the onus is on the landlord or you, at the end of the day they’ll check if you are on it or not.
There has got to be some other reason than simply “counting the number of foreigners living in the country”. Everyone gets registered/scanned on the way in and on the way out anyway so there should be a perfect record. Apart from those that entered illegally but i guess they won’t apply for a Visa extension anyway.
a. I don't see the need (yet)
b. I don't know how to do it my case. I'm not renting a room in clearly defined condo in the big city. I have my own house on an unnamed road in the middle of nowhere land in a place called village 4. I don't even think my house has a number, but i have to check on that one.
My main worry is if I register in the wrong way assuming everything is right I might end up being denied a visa. I don't think a screen shot on my phone is going to convince the greedy guys at the DoI. It'll only convince them to drive up visa prices to ridiculous heights.
If you do things in Cambodia, do them the right way, or don't do it at all. And don't rely on logic from the 'competent authorities'. That's what my stay here has taught me,
Re: New form to keep track of foreigners in Kingdom
When you register, giving street name and house number is optional.
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Re: New form to keep track of foreigners in Kingdom
That's cool, I didn't want to tell them I was Icey-D.
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Re: New form to keep track of foreigners in Kingdom
A few drawbacks with this app for long term residents,every year when you renew your visa you will need to update the new visa number and expiry date.If you dont update the new visa,you will be in the system as an over stayer.
Will this app accept a new visa against your name and passport details? Not sure the competent authorities have that thought that far ahead.
Another problem that may occur,if i book into a hotel in Phnom Penh for example,they will need to add my details,will the system reject me as im already registered in a house in Kampot?
Will this app accept a new visa against your name and passport details? Not sure the competent authorities have that thought that far ahead.
Another problem that may occur,if i book into a hotel in Phnom Penh for example,they will need to add my details,will the system reject me as im already registered in a house in Kampot?
Re: New form to keep track of foreigners in Kingdom
If the system is well designed, it should.... If the DoI really want usable data.
Re: New form to keep track of foreigners in Kingdom
I think they will have covered that, from a data point of view that's a very basic issue. The issue with the double location at the same time is more difficult. They will have to choose between data integrity or user friendliness.ned kelly wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 10:27 am A few drawbacks with this app for long term residents,every year when you renew your visa you will need to update the new visa number and expiry date.If you dont update the new visa,you will be in the system as an over stayer.
Will this app accept a new visa against your name and passport details? Not sure the competent authorities have that thought that far ahead.
If guesthouses continuously are denied registrations of their guests they will just stop trying.
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