mannanman wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:32 pm Aren’t the unions in the US all by mafia groups? And what is their interest exactly - to make money and control the employees and employers.

• "employees were offered a contract with no pay raise the first year, only a $2,000 signing bonus, and then pay increases of 1% the second year and 2% a year the following three years. It said the company wants to raise the cost of health coverage for workers from $275 a month to $1,000. And it reduced vacation time they have already accrued."

orichá wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 2:24 pm

mannanman wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:32 pm Aren’t the unions in the US all by mafia groups? And what is their interest exactly - to make money and control the employees and employers.

Mannanman, you are a prime example of a brainwashed goon who licks the laps of the rich and powerful -- deluded, blind, completely oblivious to the grotesque exploitation of the super-rich owners of everything. The world is owned by less than one percent of all people... The average super-rich owner expends thousands of times the energy and material than you or me. Add to these facts, people like Jeff and Elon think that they are entitled to keep workers down, earning little to nothing for working slave-like 10 or 12 hour shifts. If you had to work in an Amazon warehouse, you would quickly change your tune, lol. Read this, if you can:

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/12/31/busi ... index.html

Why does Warren Buffet not agree that the workers of 'Special Metals', currently on strike in the U.S., should not receive a decent offer? This company is making millions and millions in profits every quarter! And this little little bit is all that the boss could offer to the strikers:

• "employees were offered a contract with no pay raise the first year, only a $2,000 signing bonus, and then pay increases of 1% the second year and 2% a year the following three years. It said the company wants to raise the cost of health coverage for workers from $275 a month to $1,000. And it reduced vacation time they have already accrued."

A pay increase of one per cent -- after a year? Inflation is running at over 6% in the U.S. at the moment.

What kind of fascist libertarian bullshit fantasyland do you live in Mannanman? To decry unions blithely, off-handedly. You clearly know next to nothing. In the case of the UK, it was that awful, good-for-nothing despot, Margaret Thatcher and her moronic friends, who helped gut unionism forever... Mannanman, you are an embarrassing reminder of the extent to which right-wing neo-liberal propaganda has seriously debased the human intellect... You see nothing, understand nothing and know nothing...

mannanman wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 4:44 pm

orichá wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 2:24 pm

mannanman wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:32 pm Aren’t the unions in the US all by mafia groups? And what is their interest exactly - to make money and control the employees and employers.

Mannanman, you are a prime example of a brainwashed goon who licks the laps of the rich and powerful -- deluded, blind, completely oblivious to the grotesque exploitation of the super-rich owners of everything. The world is owned by less than one percent of all people... The average super-rich owner expends thousands of times the energy and material than you or me. Add to these facts, people like Jeff and Elon think that they are entitled to keep workers down, earning little to nothing for working slave-like 10 or 12 hour shifts. If you had to work in an Amazon warehouse, you would quickly change your tune, lol. Read this, if you can:

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/12/31/busi ... index.html

Why does Warren Buffet not agree that the workers of 'Special Metals', currently on strike in the U.S., should not receive a decent offer? This company is making millions and millions in profits every quarter! And this little little bit is all that the boss could offer to the strikers:

• "employees were offered a contract with no pay raise the first year, only a $2,000 signing bonus, and then pay increases of 1% the second year and 2% a year the following three years. It said the company wants to raise the cost of health coverage for workers from $275 a month to $1,000. And it reduced vacation time they have already accrued."

A pay increase of one per cent -- after a year? Inflation is running at over 6% in the U.S. at the moment.

What kind of fascist libertarian bullshit fantasyland do you live in Mannanman? To decry unions blithely, off-handedly. You clearly know next to nothing. In the case of the UK, it was that awful, good-for-nothing despot, Margaret Thatcher and her moronic friends, who helped gut unionism forever... Mannanman, you are an embarrassing reminder of the extent to which right-wing neo-liberal propaganda has seriously debased the human intellect... You see nothing, understand nothing and know nothing...

You may be right. Probably.

However, how does being aware and angry that this is true alter my daily life - with my family, friends, beer etc?
It doesn’t.
Same as if the world is actually flat. Or the vaccines really are just a smoke screen.

There’s sweet fuck all you, me and everyone on this board, hell anyone in Cambodia, can do about it.

You’ll be dead and it’ll be the same. Your kids, kids will be dead. It’ll be the same. It’s how it works.

Time for another 50c beer. Later I’ll hug my kid. Alls good.

Freightdog wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 12:58 pm

Retired Sailor wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 10:56 am Do you not believe in unions?

Retired sailor, your line of questioning, starting with your lead question (quoted above). Goes some way to make Mannamans point for him. I don’t know what your agenda or back ground may be, but in my working career, I’ve come across two distinct types of union and their representative.

The first, whose main objective is the promotion and preservation of the union, and along with it the representation and protection of its members.
The second, whose main objective is the representation and protection of its members, and thereby promoting its own existence on merit.

You strike me as belonging to the former. You’re more than welcome to respond and demonstrate that this is not the case (in a separate thread, if you wish) But you need to do some work to overcome the fact that you started on a false position by deliberately misrepresenting and taking out of context mannaman’s comments.