Meth-Head Monks Arrested and Defrocked After Raid on Pagoda
Re: Meth-Head Monks Arrested and Defrocked After Raid on Pag
Where does it say the Cambodian legal definition of debauchery relates specifically to sex with minors? That is not included in the general English definition of the word.
Re: Meth-Head Monks Arrested and Defrocked After Raid on Pag
I understand your point. STILL......the word "debauchery" in it's original meaning (1. a. Extreme indulgence in sensual pleasures; dissipation. b. debaucheries Orgies. 2. Archaic Seduction from morality, allegiance, or duty.) is not used by the western or English speaking press anymore........long, long time ago maybe, but not these days.....it's archaic.Digg3r wrote:They are using the word debauchery (by definition) to describe what they were doing.
Not to describe offences committed under Cambodian law.
They were charged with drug possession and assault police according to the article. No sex crimes.
Last edited by Francis on Wed Oct 01, 2014 8:52 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Und der Haifisch der hat Tränen
Und die laufen vom Gesicht
Doch der Haifisch lebt im Wasser
So die Tränen sieht man nicht
In der Tiefe ist es einsam
Und so manche Träne fliesst
Und so kommt es dass das Wasser
In den Meeren salzig ist
Und die laufen vom Gesicht
Doch der Haifisch lebt im Wasser
So die Tränen sieht man nicht
In der Tiefe ist es einsam
Und so manche Träne fliesst
Und so kommt es dass das Wasser
In den Meeren salzig ist
Re: Meth-Head Monks Arrested and Defrocked After Raid on Pag
Well, it simply does. Read the Cambodian law.Soi Dog wrote:Where does it say the Cambodian legal definition of debauchery relates specifically to sex with minors? That is not included in the general English definition of the word.
Und der Haifisch der hat Tränen
Und die laufen vom Gesicht
Doch der Haifisch lebt im Wasser
So die Tränen sieht man nicht
In der Tiefe ist es einsam
Und so manche Träne fliesst
Und so kommt es dass das Wasser
In den Meeren salzig ist
Und die laufen vom Gesicht
Doch der Haifisch lebt im Wasser
So die Tränen sieht man nicht
In der Tiefe ist es einsam
Und so manche Träne fliesst
Und so kommt es dass das Wasser
In den Meeren salzig ist
Re: Meth-Head Monks Arrested and Defrocked After Raid on Pag
Francis, please just accept that you made a mistake and labeled a drug addicted party monk a paedophile for no apparent reason.
Re: Meth-Head Monks Arrested and Defrocked After Raid on Pag
Sorry Digg3r.........I won't because apparently there IS a reason. Anyway, take it easy man, one cannot always agree.Digg3r wrote:Francis,..........................a paedophile for no apparent reason.
Und der Haifisch der hat Tränen
Und die laufen vom Gesicht
Doch der Haifisch lebt im Wasser
So die Tränen sieht man nicht
In der Tiefe ist es einsam
Und so manche Träne fliesst
Und so kommt es dass das Wasser
In den Meeren salzig ist
Und die laufen vom Gesicht
Doch der Haifisch lebt im Wasser
So die Tränen sieht man nicht
In der Tiefe ist es einsam
Und so manche Träne fliesst
Und so kommt es dass das Wasser
In den Meeren salzig ist
Re: Meth-Head Monks Arrested and Defrocked After Raid on Pag
According to this, many activities were called debauchery in the past (the term is not used for criminal charges anymore), including sex with minors. It doesn't mean that all charges of debauchery necessarily included sex with minors.Francis wrote:Well, it simply does. Read the Cambodian law.Soi Dog wrote:Where does it say the Cambodian legal definition of debauchery relates specifically to sex with minors? That is not included in the general English definition of the word.
http://www.cambodiadaily.com/archives/l ... ent-57257/Laws Clarify Foreign Pedophiles’ Treatment
BY PRAK CHAN THUL | APRIL 24, 2008
Since 1996, and until recently, foreign pedophiles apprehended in Cambodia were convicted of “debauchery”—a catchall term many found confusing and that carried with it a 10- to 20-year jail sentence comparable to that for murder.
When the new anti-trafficking law was enacted in February, the term “debauchery” was done away with, and in its place were substituted two crimes. Article 42 of the new law punishes “sexual intercourse with minors under 15 years of age” with five to 10 years, and article 43 punishes “indecent acts” with minors under 15—including touching and kissing—with one to three years in prison and a fine of up to $1,500.
Peng Maneth, an attorney at the anti-pedophile NGO Action Pour les Enfants, said Wednesday that the term “debauchery” was too vague and had created a lot of confusion in the courtroom.
“Previously, there were problems during trials. No one described clearly about debauchery,” she said, adding that if you look the word up in the Khmer dictionary, it just means “obscene act.”
Sihanoukville Municipal Court Chief Prosecutor Meas Sopheak said that the first foreigner arrested under the new law, French national David Makhout, was charged with “indecent acts” on April 17 for allegedly abusing an 8-year-old girl, and that the proceedings went much more smoothly according to the new legal framework.
“The law on debauchery was too general. Anything was debauchery,” he said.
Bith Kimhong, Interior Ministry anti-trafficking department chief, said Wednesday that the reduced sentences better suit the crimes committed.
“Now it is less than before, but people are still afraid of 10 years in prison,” he said. “It is matched to the actual crime.”
In 2007, 12 foreigners were arrested—eight on charges of debauchery, another three for human trafficking and one for prostitution, according to Bith Kimhong. Thirteen foreigners were arrested in 2006—11 for debauchery, one for prostitution and one for making pornography, he said.
Prior to the new law, two Russians and one American were arrested for debauchery in 2008, he...
Re: Meth-Head Monks Arrested and Defrocked After Raid on Pag
The Cambodian law says the following:
DEBAUCHERY
Article 8:
Any person who commits debauchery acts onto a minor person of below 15 years old, even if there is consent from the concerned minor person or if upon buying such minor person from somebody else or from a head of the prostitutes, shall be subject to punishment from ten (10) to twenty (20) years in prison. In case of not giving up, the maximum punishment term shall be applied.
The court may, in addition to the above principal punishment, apply a sub-punishment by restriction of the civil rights and non-authorization of residence.
DEBAUCHERY
Article 8:
Any person who commits debauchery acts onto a minor person of below 15 years old, even if there is consent from the concerned minor person or if upon buying such minor person from somebody else or from a head of the prostitutes, shall be subject to punishment from ten (10) to twenty (20) years in prison. In case of not giving up, the maximum punishment term shall be applied.
The court may, in addition to the above principal punishment, apply a sub-punishment by restriction of the civil rights and non-authorization of residence.
Und der Haifisch der hat Tränen
Und die laufen vom Gesicht
Doch der Haifisch lebt im Wasser
So die Tränen sieht man nicht
In der Tiefe ist es einsam
Und so manche Träne fliesst
Und so kommt es dass das Wasser
In den Meeren salzig ist
Und die laufen vom Gesicht
Doch der Haifisch lebt im Wasser
So die Tränen sieht man nicht
In der Tiefe ist es einsam
Und so manche Träne fliesst
Und so kommt es dass das Wasser
In den Meeren salzig ist
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Re: Meth-Head Monks Arrested and Defrocked After Raid on Pag
You're over-reading that. All sex acts with a minor are considered debauchery, but not all acts of debauchery include sex acts with a minor. Similar to "all sexpats are expats, but not all expats are sexpats".
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Re: Meth-Head Monks Arrested and Defrocked After Raid on Pag
ThatStroppyChops wrote:You're over-reading that. All sex acts with a minor are considered debauchery, but not all acts of debauchery include sex acts with a minor. Similar to "all sexpats are expats, but not all expats are sexpats".
Re: Meth-Head Monks Arrested and Defrocked After Raid on Pag
Hmmm , perhaps we can agree with the following: Pich David is a monk, he's also the director of an NGO that "helps" a lot of children, and he was found at 11 p.m. with booze, condoms and drugs and with 2 boys and 2 girls in a pagoda committing debauchery and selling bus tickets. Hey, that's what I call a busy monk.Digg3r wrote:That
Und der Haifisch der hat Tränen
Und die laufen vom Gesicht
Doch der Haifisch lebt im Wasser
So die Tränen sieht man nicht
In der Tiefe ist es einsam
Und so manche Träne fliesst
Und so kommt es dass das Wasser
In den Meeren salzig ist
Und die laufen vom Gesicht
Doch der Haifisch lebt im Wasser
So die Tränen sieht man nicht
In der Tiefe ist es einsam
Und so manche Träne fliesst
Und so kommt es dass das Wasser
In den Meeren salzig ist
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