Labour Ministry’s National Employment Agency rep: "Most of them don’t want skills, they just want jobs,”

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phuketrichard wrote: Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:32 pm the L-A visa is a 2 year non immigrant visa only issued to Cambodians, Burmese or Laotions.
My gf has one
my info is FIRST hand

[quote]“I came back last year after I got my one-year salary of 30,000 baht [about $880] paid,


sorry dont believe that. I know many many Burmese working here and they all earn good $$$
BUT do know of some that get fucked by working on fishing boats
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Having worked for 6 months as a labourer on a British site as a teenager, i think he's telling the truth. The employers want immigrant labour because it's cheaper than local Thai labour. The Polish in England were being paid four times less than their British counterpart would for the same construction jobs.
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its not only cheaper to hire migrants, BUT thai's don't want to do the work, Friend of mine does hotel construction, he needed to hire 10 extra laborers cause they wanted to finish the project early,
he couldn't find a thai even at DOUBLE the min wage ( 600 baht/day) that would do the work!!
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I expect that's a regional thing. It's hard to find good builders even for higher than normal rates around any tourist destinaion in Cambodia now. You can find plenty of people who have no knowlege or experience that call themselves builders though. Who's going to employ them on a serious project? The best plasterer in Otres is a Thai woman. Lol

That brings us to the unemployment rate.
Thai unemployment rates currently stand at 1.32%.
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Why is it so low? Well it isn't really.

Why Thailand's unemployment rate is ridiculously low
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Garment workers here in KK earn a basic wage of $200 per month, without overtime, working for Thai run factory. The auto-electric is the top paid Thai run factory. But the workers have to read and write Khmer.
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AndyKK wrote: Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:47 pm Garment workers here in KK earn a basic wage of $200 per month, without overtime, working for Thai run factory. The auto-electric is the top paid Thai run factory. But the workers have to read and write Khmer.
Is KK Koh Kong? Are you sayng that you need to be a skilled worker to earn $200 p m in a Thai run factory there. What does auto electric​ mean? Is it a factory that produces electrical parts for the automotive industry?
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AlonzoPartriz wrote: Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:19 pm
AndyKK wrote: Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:47 pm Garment workers here in KK earn a basic wage of $200 per month, without overtime, working for Thai run factory. The auto-electric is the top paid Thai run factory. But the workers have to read and write Khmer.
Is KK Koh Kong? Are you sayng that you need to be a skilled worker to earn $200 p m in a Thai run factory there. What does auto electric​ mean? Is it a factory that produces electrical parts for the automotive industry?
Thanks
Yes Koh Kong. No they all don't have to be skilled. yes for the automotive industry.
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AndyKK wrote: Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:24 pm
AlonzoPartriz wrote: Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:19 pm
AndyKK wrote: Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:47 pm Garment workers here in KK earn a basic wage of $200 per month, without overtime, working for Thai run factory. The auto-electric is the top paid Thai run factory. But the workers have to read and write Khmer.
Is KK Koh Kong? Are you sayng that you need to be a skilled worker to earn $200 p m in a Thai run factory there. What does auto electric​ mean? Is it a factory that produces electrical parts for the automotive industry?
Thanks
Yes Koh Kong. No they all don't have to be skilled. yes for the automotive industry.
So, $200 pm basic for unskilled garnent factory workers? Any idea how much skilled workers in the Thai auto electric factory get? Is it mostly the factories that are training them?
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This is all bullshit where the OP is cherry-picking the worst, most exploitative situations and trying to make out it is the norm. If Cambodians only earned half of what a garment worker makes in Cambodia by going to work in Thailand, the word would spread pretty fast and they wouldn't bother going anymore. The reason Cambodians go to work in Thailand is because they get paid multiples of what they could get at home.
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“I heard that we have to spend 20,000 baht [$588] for each passport, not including transport,”

Please someone tell me this isn't so. It seems worse for the Cambodians than it is for the foreigners when it comes to immigration. So they earn around $1000 per year, which they often get at the end of the year. And have to borrow money to live on from the employers. No doubt at a nice interest rate.
And the Cambodian government wants them to fork over $588 for documents?
This is well beyond see crook imo

Passport fees to be investigated
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10 Jul, 2017 Leonie Kijewski and Niem Chheng


The Ministry of Foreign Affairs has officially instructed the Cambodian Embassy in Malaysia to investigate agencies that ask for exorbitant passport renewal fees for workers there, according to a statement released on Friday, though some sources said corruption in the Passport Department itself is part of the problem.

The Post reported late last month that migrant workers in Malaysia were asked to pay fees of almost $1,000 to renew their passports when their old one expired.

Ok, according to the report in my OP, some of the migrant workers are paying around $824 in Thailand


“The Ministry has instructed the Cambodian Embassy in Malaysia to check on this case: according to the report of the embassy, the workers have direct contact with [agency] Mashita Jaya in Malaysia in order to make a new passport,” the statement reads. “The Ministry of Foreign Affairs would like to welcome the announcement by the Ministry of Interior on July 4 which reminds the expense for normal passport service fee.”

The official fees are $100 for a normal passport, and $200 for a same-day passport. But an employee of a Phnom Penh-based travel agency that offers passport renewal services, who requested anonymity for the agency, said the Cambodian government was complicit in the high fees through corruption.

“If the person is in Malaysia, they send the old passport to a relative,” she said. “We go to the officials with the passport.” And while renewing a passport on behalf of another is not officially allowed, she said, “we just find a way to do it”.

“[We do that] at the Passport Department, but we don’t know their names, because . . . normally we never ask the official [for it], they just take the money from us.”

She said this service cost $600. “Unofficially they do it,” she said. “It’s not what the high-ranking officials announce.”

Two staffers of Mashita Jaya, Elvin Lim and a person only known as Mr Po, denied the firm provided any passport services.

“We just provide jobs, we do not do passports here,” Po said, before hanging up on a reporter.


But multiple workers previously confirmed having extended their passports with Mashita Jaya, and two Cambodian workers in Malaysia confirmed this in interviews yesterday.

“We extended through my company, Mashita Jaya. This is the company that currently controls us,” said Serin Ith, a current migrant worker.

And while Ith welcomed the ministry’s move, he said it was too late for him. “We already paid a high price – too high,” Ith said, maintaining he had spent about $700.

Another migrant worker, Po Lo, said and that he extended his passport with the agency in 2016.

Irene Xavier, coordinator of the Committee for Asian Women, pointed to the difficulty of stopping these practices.

“Unless someone takes this very seriously and tracks them down, they will continue,” she said.

Kao Poeun, project coordinator at Informal Democratic Economy Association, said that the Cambodian government had to establish an official mechanism to renew passports.

“The problem is that officially, the Cambodian Embassy cannot make passports there, but unofficially they can make it for them,” he said.
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phuketrichard wrote: Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:32 pm the L-A visa is a 2 year non immigrant visa only issued to Cambodians, Burmese or Laotions.
My gf has one
my info is FIRST hand
“I came back last year after I got my one-year salary of 30,000 baht [about $880] paid,
sorry dont believe that. I know many many Burmese working here and they all earn good $$$
BUT do know of some that get fucked by working on fishing boats
travel book available in Thailand
Have never heard of a travel book, Burmese used to get Pink cards and passports ONLY valid for travel to Thailand but that is being phased out now
A friend of mine ( she helped us get my gf her visa) has been dealing with migrants for over 10 years and is the largest in Phuket

All u need to work in Thailand is a valid Passport. The agent Cambodian will handle finding u a job, arranging for ur L-A visa, Heath checkup,WP and medial id card

THIS is where the locals are fucked, not by the thai's, but by shady Cambodian Agents...and these are the ones that are screwing their own people
I have a 3 page list of Legit agents in Cambodia and its available to anyone
Spot on i would​ say after reading the above report in my post. Do you think there are many dodgey agents in Thailand?

“I came back last year after I got my one-year salary of 30,000 baht [about $880] paid,
sorry dont believe that. I know many many Burmese working here and they all earn good $$$
BUT do know of some that get fucked by working on fishing boats
Any idea of rough amounts? Are your examples mainly from construction/ tourism around the Phucket area?
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