Anchor Moy wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2017 5:32 pm No question that Steven did the right thing in trying to assist. I think it takes guts to intervene when you are not qualified or experienced in giving CPR, but you just do what you can because no one else is going to do it. Better be a bit lame than do nothing. And it must be horrific to have someone die on you like that while people stand around rubber necking and taking photos for Facebook.

I suspect most of us would be pretty lousy at CPR in an emergency situation despite the fact that we live in a country where you need to be self-reliant.I admit that I don't even know what number to call for an ambulance. That's lame.

First aid really needs constant practice but failing that reading through and internalizing some of the more important processes can help. The action following cardiac arrest needs to be very prompt. A couple of things that might be useful.

Download the St Johns Ambulance first aid app to your phone http://www.sja.org.uk/sja/first-aid-adv ... d-app.aspx gives a lot of first aid instructions both written and verbal. Could save someones life.

Emergency numbers Phnom Penh https://www.canbypublications.com/phnompenh/ppemerg.htm

Something worth considering here:Cardio Cerebral Resuscitation: Is it better than CPR? TVSP Murthy and Bhavna Hooda Indian J Anaesth. 2009 Dec

The need for replacement: Cardiocerebral Resuscitation in place of CPR

In a human study, investigators from Japan found that among witnessed victims of out-of-hospital cardiac arrest who had a shockable rhythm upon the arrival of EMS personnel, chest-compression-only resuscitation resulted in better survival than did chest compressions plus mouth-to-mouth ventilation.

What the public should be taught about resuscitation

The message that needs to be promulgated is twofold but nevertheless simple: firstly-cardio cerebral resuscitation is for cardiac arrest, and secondly CPR with ventilation is recommended for respiratory arrest. The lay public should be taught that an unexpected collapse in an adult is, in all likelihood, a cardiac arrest, to be differentiated from obvious respiratory arrest, such as choking or drowning, where assisted ventilations may be appropriate.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2900071/

The sad reality is that without an oxy-viva and an experienced medic/EMT, mouth-to-mouth is almost completely ineffective, if not obstructive, and chest compressions done by even a well-trained first-aider have a single-digit percentage likelihood of assisting. In the trade, manual resus and CPR without equipment is called "practice" and is done for the sake of the family - "everything possible was done to help your loved one."

StroppyChops wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2017 8:13 pm The sad reality is that without an oxy-viva and an experienced medic/EMT, mouth-to-mouth is almost completely ineffective, if not obstructive, and chest compressions done by even a well-trained first-aider have a single-digit percentage likelihood of assisting. In the trade, manual resus and CPR without equipment is called "practice" and is done for the sake of the family - "everything possible was done to help your loved one."

As you will have read in the paper I posted "Despite the development and periodic updating of guidelines for CPR and emergency cardiovascular care from the American Heart Association (AHA) survival rates for victims of out-of-hospital cardiac arrest are dismal and have remained essentially unchanged in the recent past."
That is why there is a focus on on Cardio Cerebral Resuscitation Resuscitation. The authors note: Uninterrupted perfusion of the heart and brain prior to defibrillation during prolonged cardiac arrest is essential to neurologically normal survival. It is our conviction that the widespread implementation of cardio cerebral resuscitation for cardiac arrest will dramatically improve survival. Also check out A new approach for out-of-hospital CPR: a bold step forward.2003 Sep;58(3):271-2.

Kuroneko wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2017 8:35 pm

StroppyChops wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2017 8:13 pm The sad reality is that without an oxy-viva and an experienced medic/EMT, mouth-to-mouth is almost completely ineffective, if not obstructive, and chest compressions done by even a well-trained first-aider have a single-digit percentage likelihood of assisting. In the trade, manual resus and CPR without equipment is called "practice" and is done for the sake of the family - "everything possible was done to help your loved one."

As you will have read in the paper I posted "Despite the development and periodic updating of guidelines for CPR and emergency cardiovascular care from the American Heart Association (AHA) survival rates for victims of out-of-hospital cardiac arrest are dismal and have remained essentially unchanged in the recent past."
That is why there is a focus on on Cardio Cerebral Resuscitation Resuscitation. The authors note: Uninterrupted perfusion of the heart and brain prior to defibrillation during prolonged cardiac arrest is essential to neurologically normal survival. It is our conviction that the widespread implementation of cardio cerebral resuscitation for cardiac arrest will dramatically improve survival. Also check out A new approach for out-of-hospital CPR: a bold step forward.2003 Sep;58(3):271-2.

As much as 10 years ago or more, St. John was training officers that if an oxygen device was not available, don't bother with expired air technique as it had been shown to be more problematic than it was worth. And yet it continued to be taught in first aid courses, to which cynical officers commented that first-aid training is the money-making end of the operation, and that's what the public expected to be trained in.

" Moreover, the guy was full of glanders so yes, it may explains the distance taken by Steven. "

What is glanders ?

The dictionary says

Glanders: a highly infectious bacterial disease of horses, sometimes transmitted to man, caused by Actinobacillus mallei and characterized by inflammation and ulceration of the mucous membranes of the air passages, skin, and lymph glands

I don't think that's what was meant, I'm guessing that it means he was likely infected with Hep and all sorts of other contagious diseases. Much as you might be trying to help someone there is no sense in exposing yourself to pathogens.

Francois_C wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2017 4:00 pm

General Mackevili wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2017 1:54 pm Good Samaritans trying to save him, with probably the lamest CPR and mouth-to-mouth moves I've seen. Good on them for trying, but damn, that's hard to watch. At one point the dude in the Superman shirt seems to be trying to get him breathing with little bangs with one hand. WTF?

You are talking about my friend, Steven Herve.
He was traumatized because the dude died in his arms. Moreover, the guy was full of glanders so yes, it may explains the distance taken by Steven.

But at least, Steven is not like those so-told humans who are vultures just wanted to get their exclusive picture instead of calling an ambulance.
Not like those "normal" creeps with morbid fascination, looking for people dying slowly.
In the end, this world is so corrupted that the only one who tried, with his hearth and his humanity, is the one blamed.
And the "normal" guys, doing nothing are quickly forgotten / forgiven.
If Steven sees your garbage message, man, this would be bad for you... And I would be sincerely the first one to laugh at you.

wind your nec in you silly coont,we're all laughing at you instead.....

A heavy addicted ice head.
Could be Seen everyday @ GSM.

camborambo wrote: ↑Sat May 20, 2017 12:47 pm A heavy addicted ice head.
Could be Seen everyday @ GSM.

Don was a smackhead. On about a year overstay, no passport, no visa. He wasn't a bad lad, just rode his luck for a bit too long. I'm pretty convinced that this was a planned suicide. Know a guy who spoke to him about a week ago and suicide was mentioned. Don was pretty much down and out, Awful way to go but in his case it seemed inevitable. Pretty sure he had Hep C. Not the first and won't be the last. RIP