Immigration: + 50,000 Chinese expected in 2018

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Re: Immigration: + 50,000 Chinese expected in 2018

Post by Gardiguy » Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:53 pm

phuketrichard wrote:
Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:19 pm
fax wrote:
Wed Sep 19, 2018 3:33 pm
rogerrabbit wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:51 pm
Didn't the westerners do the same? They came with their western restaurants, bars and resorts too. In much smaller scale of course as there was much less westerners than chinese now but same thing has happened with them.
No they didn't do the same. Westerners rent buildings to run their business and a bar is sold by moving the deposit from barang to barang but the initial investment stays with the true owner - the Khmer. Westerners don't buy land over market price and kick out Cambodians to build giant concrete blocks where only Chinese are employed.

Where is a barang owned casino? The Chinese are changing the whole landscape into Macau 2. The barang let Cambodia be Cambodia and quite liked it that way.
Rabbit is way off base here;
The thing is westerners got involved in business's, employed locals an the profits stayed in Cambodia.
Not same with the Chinese, where the workers are Chinese and any profits or goods made, go back to the motherland or are shipped out
This video with the Malaysian PM speaking pretty much sums up what is good and what is bad Chinese investment.

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Re: Immigration: + 50,000 Chinese expected in 2018

Post by Fourkinnel » Thu Sep 20, 2018 3:43 am

rogerrabbit wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:55 pm
Fourkinnel wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:32 pm
rogerrabbit wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:51 pm
Kinetic wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:35 pm
xandreu wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:23 am
Why is it such a bad idea? I understand why people think that, but if the alternative is that Cambodia struggles on as a developing country for decades to come, surely foreign investment is a good thing? Would people be complaining as much if the foreign investment was coming from the US or Europe? I doubt it. But then, Cambodia wouldn't allow such high investment from them. They're friends with China. So it boils down to two options. Refuse foreign investment and keep the struggling economy as the status quo, or open your doors to China, who are willing to invest billions which will inevitably create jobs, stimulate the economy and potentially lift thousands out of an otherwise poverty stricken life.

I understand why people are cynical about it, but it's happening anyway so get used to it. It wasn't that long ago that China was a struggling, developing country. They seem to have done alight for themselves (economically speaking) - there's no reason why they can't do the same for Cambodia.
I hear what you say and I'm partially agree BUT what I criticize it's the way it's done. Go in Sihanoukville and you wil see. Expropriation,the cost of life increase, big constructions without respect for the coastline... I know that it is the counterpart of the big real estate investment. But the big NO for me it's that the chinese do not adapt to the cambodian culture, they impose their. They came with their chinese restaurants, chinese shops, chinese casinos, chinese ressorts, chinese workers, etc...in 10 years, Sihanoukville will become an extension of China.
I've stayed there for 3 weeks, maybe expat living there will tell me that it's not as worst as I describe.
Didn't the westerners do the same? They came with their western restaurants, bars and resorts too. In much smaller scale of course as there was much less westerners than chinese now but same thing has happened with them.

Cost of living will decrease probably next year already once first batch of constructions will finish.
Nothing like the same with the timescale and destruction! There was/is going to be massive complex or resort built on the beach where for years were just beach bars and restaurants fitting in with the area. Same with Ream, bloody Wisney? You think this is the same as the westerners did or wanted?.They have changed the face of the place, negatively by destroying the charm and culture of what was before. This was the beach towns next attraction to the beach itself....
All that is called development. It's not going to be quiet small beach town in future. But development is natural.
Fourkinnel wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:32 pm
...Most employment from the Chinese projects are for the Chinese where Western places had mostly local. I see no progress with infrastructure in SHV, the roads and services which should have been a priority have been forgotten and crumbled to shit.
Not really true. For example 90% of workers at Xihu, Prince Times and Sunshine Bay hotels are locals. That is together almost 1000 new positions. And they get paid more than what Sokha Resort pays. Also many of the construction sites and casinos have lot of locals working too.

Big developments for water and sewage pipes starts next year as well. Though this probably will not be enough for future growth as the design was based on 2017 numbers I believe. But still progress is happening on infrastructure all the time (too slow though, I agree on that).
90% of the workers local. You're having a laugh mate!. Have you gone round in SHV and asked say 1000 of them where are you from?. Where would they find so many numbers of locals for the hundreds of projects and developments? There are a few in Casinos for sure but only a few!
And where do you get the information that you state about the sewage and water pipes. I've been there 11 years and know folk who can ask the higher up in charge. We've asked before many times and what we get is, the system can't cope or BS that equates to it. The reservoir needs to be added to with another and there is no big enough sewage plant for the imaginary pipes to be connected to. They can't even repair CT and Omui road or the one to Otres in 1 year!
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Re: Immigration: + 50,000 Chinese expected in 2018

Post by Beerinthemorning » Thu Sep 20, 2018 4:43 am

Cambodia is just a communists china's plan.
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Re: Immigration: + 50,000 Chinese expected in 2018

Post by newkidontheblock » Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:48 am

Beerinthemorning wrote:Cambodia is just a communists china's plan.
Mainland China had their version of Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. And they won.
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Re: Immigration: + 50,000 Chinese expected in 2018

Post by rogerrabbit » Thu Sep 20, 2018 1:07 pm

Fourkinnel wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 3:43 am
rogerrabbit wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:55 pm
Fourkinnel wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:32 pm
rogerrabbit wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:51 pm
Kinetic wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:35 pm


I hear what you say and I'm partially agree BUT what I criticize it's the way it's done. Go in Sihanoukville and you wil see. Expropriation,the cost of life increase, big constructions without respect for the coastline... I know that it is the counterpart of the big real estate investment. But the big NO for me it's that the chinese do not adapt to the cambodian culture, they impose their. They came with their chinese restaurants, chinese shops, chinese casinos, chinese ressorts, chinese workers, etc...in 10 years, Sihanoukville will become an extension of China.
I've stayed there for 3 weeks, maybe expat living there will tell me that it's not as worst as I describe.
Didn't the westerners do the same? They came with their western restaurants, bars and resorts too. In much smaller scale of course as there was much less westerners than chinese now but same thing has happened with them.

Cost of living will decrease probably next year already once first batch of constructions will finish.
Nothing like the same with the timescale and destruction! There was/is going to be massive complex or resort built on the beach where for years were just beach bars and restaurants fitting in with the area. Same with Ream, bloody Wisney? You think this is the same as the westerners did or wanted?.They have changed the face of the place, negatively by destroying the charm and culture of what was before. This was the beach towns next attraction to the beach itself....
All that is called development. It's not going to be quiet small beach town in future. But development is natural.
Fourkinnel wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:32 pm
...Most employment from the Chinese projects are for the Chinese where Western places had mostly local. I see no progress with infrastructure in SHV, the roads and services which should have been a priority have been forgotten and crumbled to shit.
Not really true. For example 90% of workers at Xihu, Prince Times and Sunshine Bay hotels are locals. That is together almost 1000 new positions. And they get paid more than what Sokha Resort pays. Also many of the construction sites and casinos have lot of locals working too.

Big developments for water and sewage pipes starts next year as well. Though this probably will not be enough for future growth as the design was based on 2017 numbers I believe. But still progress is happening on infrastructure all the time (too slow though, I agree on that).
90% of the workers local. You're having a laugh mate!. Have you gone round in SHV and asked say 1000 of them where are you from?. Where would they find so many numbers of locals for the hundreds of projects and developments? There are a few in Casinos for sure but only a few!
And where do you get the information that you state about the sewage and water pipes. I've been there 11 years and know folk who can ask the higher up in charge. We've asked before many times and what we get is, the system can't cope or BS that equates to it. The reservoir needs to be added to with another and there is no big enough sewage plant for the imaginary pipes to be connected to. They can't even repair CT and Omui road or the one to Otres in 1 year!
Many are from hotels and restaurants that have been closed down. Some are from provinces. You can go and talk to the Xihu hotel HR and ask. HR manager is Cambodian too, ex Sokha. Only the top management is fully chinese. Then bunch of russians, chiense and filipinos and rest are locals. And as I know you will not go and ask, here are pictures from training
of group that got hired last month:
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Around 50 employees has been hired monthly since May/June. And 90% of these have been locals.

Sewage and water pipes info comes from a friend who has been part of the engineer team. Part of the money coming from ADB: https://www.adb.org/projects/48158-002/main#project-pds
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Re: Immigration: + 50,000 Chinese expected in 2018

Post by Clemen » Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:22 pm

Maybe I missed it, there is a lot to read there but "expansion of the wastewater treatment plant at Sihanoukville". The problem there is that the treatment plant is near Otres, and most of the sewage doesn't go there anyway.
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