eriksank wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:35 am

CEOCambodiaNews wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:21 amWe also know that the victim was aged 45 and left behind his wife and young son. Very tragic.

Ever since these western NGOs have been clamouring for the Cambodian police to stick their noses into private family affairs, this was an accident waiting to happen. It certainly wasn't a Cambodian demand. There are good reasons why, historically, secular powers would never stick their noses in private family affairs. Only clergy would most carefully venture there. The practice of overruling divine or natural law or the traditions of the population constitutes a grave threat against the Cambodian State and its legitimacy. In order to preserve the peace of the land, it is a necessity to dismantle and expel western NGOs operating in Cambodia.

Are you really saying here that you consider that beating your wife is a Buddhist or Khmer or SEA tradition ? Or what ? (Surely not ? Seriously not sure what you are getting at.)
And what do the commune police have to do with NGOs ? Do you mean that law and order is not Khmer, but is something imposed by these western fem-nazis do-gooders ?
Just read what you wrote above. Wow. It makes it sound like you have a very low opinion of Cambodians. In fact, you sound just like those interfering NGO busy-bodies who think they know what is good for people here.
I have a lot of friends who have daughters - thats the luck of the draw lol (joke ffs!) - but they all want their girls to grow up smart, to be educated as good as the boys, and they sure as hell don't want them to be beaten by a drunken pig. Not one of them.

John Bingham wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:45 amSo it was the meddling western NGOs that caused this guy to hack someone to death with a slash-hook? Are you for real?

The entire situation is on a collision course. It will only get more violent, not less.

Cambodian tradition versus Western meddling

CAMBODIAN TRADITION

There is a tradition of subservience and inferiority of women to men that makes the issue of domestic violence in Cambodia a complex issue. The traditional code of conduct Chbab Srey (Women’s Law) had taught women in Cambodia to be subservient to men. Up until 2007 schools in Cambodia had taught the chbab to the young girls in regards to what was expected from them as a women.

WESTERN MEDDLING

Cambodia [WAS COMPELLED TO] ratify the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW) in 1992. [WESTERN] Non-Governmental Organisations (NGOs) are currently playing an active role in implementing CEDAW in Cambodia. The different type of work that the [WESTERN] NGOs have been involved with includes policy and law reforms, health services, gender sensitisation, non-formal education and rights awareness programs. In 1995 the Cambodian [WESTERN] NGO Committee on CEDAW (NGO CEDAW) was established to support the Cambodian Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights. Currently there are 79 [WESTERN] NGOs members. Their main mission is to establish independent reports on the progress of implementation of CEDAW.

Cambodian man-made law is not the result of any kind of so-called "democratic" process in Cambodia. It is the result of the "implementation of CEDAW", which seeks to overrule Cambodian tradition from their U.N. offices in New York.

We are looking at pretty much the same situation as with CEDAW overruling Islam in Muslim countries. The results are so predictable. Nowadays, all of us can switch on the television screens to admire how the severed arms and legs are flying around. Everybody will indeed have to prove that they are willing to risk their lives and die for what they believe in. What recently happened in London is just part of all of this.

I believe in God. So, I would die for God. The CEDAW crowd obviously believes in nothing. So, they will have to die for nothing!

CEOCambodiaNews wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:21 am

The man is such an NGO hero who risked his life and died for CEDAW. He is an example for all the youngsters in Cambodia, for us to teach them the sacred principle of "sacrifice" for the higher New York-based cause. The man is a U.N. martyr. We admire him so much.

@ ericwhatever. Just read what you write sometimes and then look in the mirror. Yeah, that's you. Good luck with that.

Anchor Moy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2017 2:14 am@ ericwhatever. Just read what you write sometimes and then look in the mirror. Yeah, that's you. Good luck with that.

Katherine "democratically" rewriting Cambodian Law from London, UK.

The gap between legislation and practice in Cambodia and what can be done about it

WHY THE GAP EXISTS

Customs and traditions that are detrimental rather than supportive of DV alleviation. A weak rule of law environment.

RECONCILIATION AS FAILURE

There really needs to be an end to this stupid repeated reconciliation process. It just keeps the problem alive and hinders us from really doing our jobs... It makes them more arrogant and just walk all over the law. Success has nothing to do with both parties remaining together.

PRIORITY 1 – DV LAW REVISION

Given the potentially long lead-time and lobbying needed to enact change in DV Law, this process must begin immediately. Our research shows that current DV Law and its nationalistic privileging of harmony is problematic and should be removed. On grounds of custom and tradition, the current DV Law does not comply with CEDAW. ‘Active citizenship’ means developing the self-confidence [...] such as using DV Law [against your husband].

Do you really believe in God?

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Pretty sure Chbap Srey was written in the early 20th century and has little basis in tradition, rather that of men dealing with their own forced subservience to colonisers.

I'm guessing eriksank is a supporter of fundamentalists who would execute a woman because she had been raped because that's simply Saudi tradition. We shouldn't meddle in those things.

I'm guessing a divorce court has been involved in the timeline somewhere.

Erikskank manages to blame governments for absolutely everything. Truly amazing.

Barang chgout wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:15 amDo you really believe in God?

The belief in God is incredibly useful. I indeed tend to believe what suits me fine. You see, the danger in any belief is: inconsistency. An inconsistent belief will eventually backfire. I have never detected, however, any inconsistencies in the belief in God. Hence, there is no danger in using and enlisting this belief to serve your own interests.

epidemiks wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:39 amPretty sure Chbap Srey was written in the early 20th century and has little basis in tradition, rather that of men dealing with their own forced subservience to colonisers.

I am not Cambodian, Buddhist, or otherwise tributary to Cambodian traditions. However, I agree with the Buddhist mantra that all suffering is the result of your own misbehaviour earlier in this life, or in an earlier life. I have copied and adopted that view. However, that is as far as it goes. I am not "fascinated" with Buddhism. I do not see it as a useful tool. Unlike Islam, Buddhism is not sufficiently "active" to be truly useful. It is a relatively weak background principle.

vladimir wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:41 amI'm guessing eriksank is a supporter of fundamentalists who would execute a woman because she had been raped because that's simply Saudi tradition. We shouldn't meddle in those things. I'm guessing a divorce court has been involved in the timeline somewhere.

There is tendency in the West to portray Islamic Law as barbaric. Islamic Law is axiomatic, deterministic, blind, and objective. It is exactly how a legal system should be. In this particular case, under Islamic Law, the wife would have been perfectly allowed to bring her claim to court against her husband and prove that he is a drunkard. The Qadiz (=judge) would pretty much automatically have released her from her wifely duties. The husband would not have dared to attack the Qadiz. A thing like that simply does not happen. The husband cannot attack Qadiz while he is applying Divine Law, since the husband would also affirm that he submits to the will of the Almighty.

Bitte_Kein_Lexus wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:29 amErikskank manages to blame governments for absolutely everything. Truly amazing.

Even though there is indeed no problem that the government won't make worse, Divine Law is certainly not anarchy either. The King of Morocco clarified in 2003 what the core invariant in government is: "I can’t in my capacity as commander of the believers, permit what God has forbidden, nor forbid what the Almighty has allowed." Hence, I would certainly accept the King of Morocco as the boss, but simultaneously also keep holding him against the core invariant.