Eighteen More Villagers Reported of Suffering from American’s Chemical Bombs Dropped during Vietnam War

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Re: Eighteen More Villagers Reported of Suffering from American’s Chemical Bombs Dropped during Vietnam War

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I think if you get affected, you don't care whether it was delivered by spraying or by bombing.

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'The U.S. also investigated a wide range of possible nonlethal, psychobehavioral chemical incapacitating agents including psychedelic indoles such as lysergic acid diethylamide (also experimenting to see if it could be used for effective mind control) and marijuana derivatives, certain tranquilizers like ketamine or fentanyl, as well as several glycolate anticholinergics. One of the anticholinergic compounds, 3-quinuclidinyl benzilate, was assigned the NATO code BZ and was weaponized at the beginning of the 1960s for possible battlefield use. This agent was allegedly employed by American troops as a counterinsurgency weapon in the Vietnam War but the U.S. maintains that this agent never saw operational use.[7] The North Koreans and Chinese have alleged that chemical and biological weapons were used by the United States in the Korean War;[8] but the United States' denial is supported by Russian archival documents.[9]

The growing protests over the American role in the Vietnam War, the use of defoliants there, and the use of riot control agents both in Southeast Asia and inside the U.S. (as well as heightened concern for the environment) all gradually increased public hostility in the U.S. toward chemical weapons in the 1960s. Three events particularly galvanized public attention: a 1968 sheep-kill incident at Dugway Proving Ground, Operation Cut Holes and Sink ‘Em (CHASE) — a program involving disposal of unwanted munitions at sea — and a 1969 accident with sarin at Okinawa.'
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no... gas used in tunnels were hand held devices (like a grenade) or gas cylinders. Gas grenades were dispensed /allocated to individuals. Small devices, with short shelf life... meaning all of them even if left 50+ years later would be absolutely inert. Of the gas cylinders, these were transported to sites and not just left lying about. These were stored in base and taken to sites and used. None were wasted... hence, there are none of those laying about.
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that genius wrote: Tue May 01, 2018 7:13 pm I think if you get affected, you don't care whether it was delivered by spraying or by bombing.

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Artful Dodger wrote:
that genius wrote: Tue May 01, 2018 7:13 pm I think if you get affected, you don't care whether it was delivered by spraying or by bombing.

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Ignore wikipedia... it is not a reliable reference... anyone can edit it without any credentials.
So we should just take your word for it is what you are saying?
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Re: Eighteen More Villagers Reported of Suffering from American’s Chemical Bombs Dropped during Vietnam War

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Gardiguy wrote: Tue May 01, 2018 9:23 pm
Artful Dodger wrote:
that genius wrote: Tue May 01, 2018 7:13 pm I think if you get affected, you don't care whether it was delivered by spraying or by bombing.

From wiki
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Ignore wikipedia... it is not a reliable reference... anyone can edit it without any credentials.
So we should just take your word for it is what you are saying?
why do you speak like that? are you some kind of arm chair warrior... Why do you feel the need to challenge? Not clever of you. I am sure you are a better person than that.
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^^ You said, "Ignore wikipedia... it is not a reliable reference", thus implying that you are a reliable reference. How do we know that you have the credentials to be a reliable reference?
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Artful Dodger wrote: Tue May 01, 2018 8:52 pm no... gas used in tunnels were hand held devices (like a grenade) or gas cylinders. Gas grenades were dispensed /allocated to individuals. Small devices, with short shelf life... meaning all of them even if left 50+ years later would be absolutely inert. Of the gas cylinders, these were transported to sites and not just left lying about. These were stored in base and taken to sites and used. None were wasted... hence, there are none of those laying about.
Well, just to add to my earlier post it seems they are talking about some sort of tear gas barrel-bomb, and certainly not hand-held grenades :

https://www.phnompenhpost.com/national/ ... und-pagoda

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/24/opin ... l-war.html

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-1 ... 656854.htm

This site seems a bit sketchy but reports a few other possibilities:

https://warisboring.com/america-dropped ... n-vietnam/
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Artful Dodger wrote:
Gardiguy wrote: Tue May 01, 2018 9:23 pm
Artful Dodger wrote:
that genius wrote: Tue May 01, 2018 7:13 pm I think if you get affected, you don't care whether it was delivered by spraying or by bombing.

From wiki
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Ignore wikipedia... it is not a reliable reference... anyone can edit it without any credentials.
So we should just take your word for it is what you are saying?
why do you speak like that? are you some kind of arm chair warrior... Why do you feel the need to challenge? Not clever of you. I am sure you are a better person than that.
No, you said not to believe wiki because someone unaccredited could contribute to it. But, the only accreditation that I know of for you is that you say you know what you are talking about, even though I/we don't know you any different than the contributors on wiki. I really don't doubt that you know what you are talking about, but, you literally just used the same argument against Wikipedia. That is all I was pointing out.
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Artful Dodger wrote: Tue May 01, 2018 8:55 pmIgnore wikipedia... it is not a reliable reference... anyone can edit it without any credentials.
That's the value of it..on a very public, historical topic it is very reliable, simply because so many experts scrutinise it. Yes, anybody can ATTEMPT to edit it, but edits are modded and incorrect facts will be edited later by someone with more knowledge/ credibility.

It works a little bit like a forum in that regard

Wikipedia is maligned over this, but the reality is that very few other sources even allow commentary, let alone editing.

If you post trash, it will be deleted...for example if you posted that the Holocaust never happened, or Iraq really did have WMD

Far preferable to biased news sites like Fox/CNN/BBC or RT on the left.
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Re: Eighteen More Villagers Reported of Suffering from American’s Chemical Bombs Dropped during Vietnam War

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Username Taken wrote: Tue May 01, 2018 10:05 pm ^^ You said, "Ignore wikipedia... it is not a reliable reference", thus implying that you are a reliable reference. How do we know that you have the credentials to be a reliable reference?
No... that is not implied at all. For example, if I said Donald Trump's politics stink, does not in anyway infer that I am running for US President. That is clutching at straws to state I am implying what you are suggesting..


Is wikipedia reliable?
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