Clampdown on foreigners living in Cambodia with illegal documents

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We've never heard about this kind of issue for cambodian of chinese descent. Any explanation ? (I'm talking about Teochew not the horde we're seeing in KPS)


This is what Wiki has to say, "

The state of the Chinese Cambodians was described as "the worst disaster ever to befall any ethnic Chinese community in Southeast Asia". [14]
Cambodians of Chinese descent were massacred by the Khmer Rouge under the justification that they "used to exploit the Cambodian people". [24] The Chinese were stereotyped as traders and moneylenders, and therefore were associated with capitalism. Among the Khmer, the Chinese were also resented for their lighter skin color and cultural differences. [25] Hundreds of Chinese families were rounded up in 1978 and told that they were to be resettled, but were actually executed. [24] At the beginning of the Khmer Rouge's rule in 1975, there were 425,000 ethnic Chinese in Cambodia; by the end in 1979, there were 200,000. In addition to being a proscribed ethnic group by the government, the Chinese were predominantly city-dwellers, making them vulnerable to the Khmer Rouge's revolutionary ruralism.[14] The government of the People's Republic of China did not protest the killings of ethnic Chinese in Cambodia. [26] The policies of the Khmer Rouge towards Sino-Cambodians seems puzzling in light of the fact that the two most powerful people in the regime and presumably the originators of the racist doctrine, Pol Pot and Nuon Chea, both had mixed Chinese-Cambodian ancestry. Other senior figures in the Khmer Rouge state apparatus such as Son Sen and Ta Mok also had Chinese ethnic heritage.
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wiki is not always the truth, but only what someone wrote, can be changed, corrected, amended.
not exactly the best source for "this is the truth"
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phuketrichard wrote: Fri Dec 22, 2017 3:48 pm wiki is not always the truth, but only what someone wrote, can be changed, corrected, amended.
not exactly the best source for "this is the truth"
Yes, I used Wiki for ease of understanding.

However, the citations in the footnotes are usually credible.

Wiki does get updated, and if, say, the common general consensue is that the status of Pluto is downgraded from a planet to an asteroid, that gets fixed, too.

Viets took over Kampuchea Krom, invaded Cambodia several times (sometimes with reason, granted), and subjugated the population to obvious encroachment attempts. At the least, it's pre-positioning.

Some people are mad at Muslims flooding their non-Muslim countries ... Why not the Khmer be wary of the Viets? Esp. now, in their weakened position after the KR?
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I feel the comparison of a religion and a race are a false equivalence
any race can take on a new religion be it by choice or force (not always physical force but legislative too)

history lessons don't help, if anything they fuel a "reason" to hate different races based on past wrongs not carried out by the present generation.

personally when I meet someone I care not for the birth land they had no choice ins wrongs of old
why cant we simply deal with people as people in the present with a clean slate?

isn't that the fair, humanistic approach to take ?
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taabarang wrote: Fri Dec 22, 2017 3:41 pm This is what Wiki has to say

The state of the Chinese Cambodians was described as "the worst disaster ever to befall any ethnic Chinese community in Southeast Asia". [14]
Cambodians of Chinese descent were massacred by the Khmer Rouge under the justification that they "used to exploit the Cambodian people". [24] The Chinese were stereotyped as traders and moneylenders, and therefore were associated with capitalism. Among the Khmer, the Chinese were also resented for their lighter skin color and cultural differences. [25] Hundreds of Chinese families were rounded up in 1978 and told that they were to be resettled, but were actually executed. [24] At the beginning of the Khmer Rouge's rule in 1975, there were 425,000 ethnic Chinese in Cambodia; by the end in 1979, there were 200,000. In addition to being a proscribed ethnic group by the government, the Chinese were predominantly city-dwellers, making them vulnerable to the Khmer Rouge's revolutionary ruralism.[14] The government of the People's Republic of China did not protest the killings of ethnic Chinese in Cambodia. [26] The policies of the Khmer Rouge towards Sino-Cambodians seems puzzling in light of the fact that the two most powerful people in the regime and presumably the originators of the racist doctrine, Pol Pot and Nuon Chea, both had mixed Chinese-Cambodian ancestry. Other senior figures in the Khmer Rouge state apparatus such as Son Sen and Ta Mok also had Chinese ethnic heritage.
What I mean, is you can still see a lot of these khmer-teochew in Phnom Penh nowaday. I'd assume just by physical appearance for exemple (you can easily recognize chinese traits).
Or just look at how many shops/business are closed during Chinese New Year in Cambodia, I think it's a good indicator of them being khmer-teochew (or just chinese lol) even though CNY isn't recognized officially as holiday.
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actually cny was just added this month!
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Re: Chortlon's last post.

Yes, we can, I do, but most people here don't.

I have learned not to pin my hopes on many things here, haha. At least not too quickly.

What kind of stuff are YOU smoking? Haha, seems like good stuff.

To quote some of my pertinent points:

"Some people are mad at Muslims flooding their non-Muslim countries ... Why not the Khmer be wary of the Viets? Esp. now, in their weakened position after the KR?"

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"Do not say what is correct, say what is true." — Jurian Jannsen, confessed Atheist."

"Thanks for [ reading ] my **SEEMINGLY** archaic, anachronistic NONSENSE"

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"Very touchy for the Khmer, but so were the Spanish when they lost California, Texas, and the entire Southwest, right? Even today, some Mexicans grieve over that loss of territory.
...
Even Brits today, I might add, are still a little touchy after [ the ] post-WWII loss of their worldwide empire ...

So, can you blame the Khmer for being angry for losing Kampuchea Krom and Saigon / Prey Nokor [ to the Viets ] ?"

"Now, would anybody like to argue that lovely "gringos" (I use that word just to illustrate a common point) should be leading or in the government of Mexico? Hence, I posit, that Vietnamese are not so welcome to Cambodia."

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Even then, don't come knocking...Not for ANY reason.
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Look at the number of signs written in Chinese non the main streets of Phnom Penh or count the Chinese language schools. If that fails scrutinize the sellers faces in the markets. Chinese from almost everywhere in the mainland have been fleeing bad governance for centuries.
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also, they marry locals, which some other migrants may not.
thus they integrate, though there have been many pogroms against them from here to Timor in the past 100 years.
the Bumi Putera laws in Malaysia are specifically designed to constrain Chinese Malaysians.
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frank lee bent wrote: Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:25 pm actually cny was just added this month!
So, have any of you wondered why the **long-time** Chinese-Cambodians rarely get attacked? It's because they're not refugees. And they try to be a bit humble, usually. So they don't draw much ire.

"In recent years, field research carried out by Ehrentraut in 2013 suggested that ethnic relations between Vietnamese have deteriorated not only with the ethnic Khmer, but also with the Cham and Chinese Cambodians.[51]"

"A minority of Vietnamese residents were able to obtain citizenship only after paying bribes to interior ministry officials, or were married to Khmer spouses.[23]"

[ Integrate or pass the means test - OK. ]"

I'm just saying, try to recognize relevant yet strained ethnic relationships, it's only dignified and educated to understand that. You make me feel like I'm talking to an American during the Vietnam War. Ignorant, arrogant, and usually, a total outsider.

What you don't know, CAN and WILL hurt you. Quote me on that one.

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There were successive waves of emigration from China to Vietnam, usually from the defeated side of some Chinese power struggle. They exited China, and settled peacefully in Vietnam, China's long-time enemy. The language wasn't that different, and at least they had a common enemy.

Strangely enough, many Chinese emigrants married only other ethnic Chinese in Vietnam. A few married outside their culture, but I saw many multi-generational Chinese-Viets in Vietnam. Funny.

Imagine 3 or more generations of Chinese marrying Chinese, but located in and speaking the language of Vietnam.

Then, some of them had to leave Vietnam for whatever reason, and ended up here, no doubt. So there are a few Chinese-Viet-Cambodians here now, through the long circuit of emigration, China-->Vietnam-->Cambodia. And mostly marrying Chinese ... Funny ...
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Not if there's a fire, not even if you hear the sound of a thud from my home and one week later there's a smell coming from there that can only be a decaying human body and you have to hold a hanky to your face because the stench is so thick that you think you're going to faint.

Even then, don't come knocking...Not for ANY reason.
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