Cambodia's Impossible Dream: Koh Tral

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giblet wrote:How is everyone viewing Khmerization? I'm on Metfone and can't get to it and Hide My Ass gives me this message: Sorry, this proxy does not allow the requested site (khmerization.blogspot.com) to be viewed.

I'm dying to read all of the comments there.
Waste of time really.
Most of the comments are unrelated to the article. Just stupid comments about CPP, CNRP and yuon dogs.

Check the verbal diarhorea from this guy 'Kmenhwatt'. According to him this is a photo of the writer.

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Hansum man.

Here's a pdf:

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JBTrain wrote:Hansum man.

Here's a pdf:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/edjxfi50wncj9 ... ot-com.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Thank you. Apparently you realized that while I tried again to access the site I'd get distracted and start reading the latest issue of Country Smallholding.

I think I'm losing brain cells reading this. The comments about dog meat and mercury are class.
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I've cracked the case. The bumblers at Khmerization unwittingly led me to Alexander Hamilton's1718 journal which establishes that by the time of his visit Koh Tral was empty, abandoned for fear of pirates. The Vietnamese settled an empty island. For better or worse, done.

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One of the points I brought up with my ongoing saga with Mengly was "why do the khmer even WANT that island..? they barely use the ones they already have."
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Nice find. Not sure if that settles their claims legally-speaking, but it goes so far back that once more, it's a bit far-fetched to make claims about an island you haven't effectively controlled or populated for hundreds of years...
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Bitte_Kein_Lexus wrote:Nice find. Not sure if that settles their claims legally-speaking, but it goes so far back that once more, it's a bit far-fetched to make claims about an island you haven't effectively controlled or populated for hundreds of years...
No Cambodia can still claim they held sovereignty over an empty island but they don't have anything to back up a continuous claim of either sovereignty or occupation after the early 18th century.

What this does though is fill in an important piece of the puzzle of the island's history. I had suggested that perhaps Thai invaders had depopulated the island, now we have a pretty solid explanation that confirms the island was indeed depopulated before the arrival of the Viets but with pirates as the villains. Fascinating stuff.
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Interesting history stepping back, it appears the Saleeters were another name for the Cellates, which was a name at the time for the people from Melaka in Malaysia...

Reference to Saleeters being Cellates (in footnotes 2 p237):
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Reference of the Cellates being the people of Melaka (in footnotes 53 p507):
http://books.google.com.kh/books?id=0x1 ... es&f=false" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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I'm now curious what route they would have traveled to come so far... it would have had to have either been around the point then up around the gulf (most likely with the references of their fighting Siam on behalf of Paramsevara of Singapore), or off through the Riau Islands, up the coast of Malaysia, then through the Spratly Islands. Either way, I bet there are some interesting stories from encounters with them. I may have to pick up those two books on my Kindle and give them a read.
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So their argument is that it should belong to Cambodia because it's directly off the shore of Cambodia? I sort of get that argument (legalities notwithstanding). Maybe it should be Cambodia's in theory, but it's not and it won't be.
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