pczz wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:17 pm

John Bingham wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:58 pm

pczz wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:17 pm

hanno wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:17 am

Cruisemonkey wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:09 am Absolutely positive! Asians do not frequent prostitutes... and have nothing to do with human trafficking.

Exactly!! All these shiny 300-room Karaoke palaces are for the depraved Westerners flashing their guns and Range Rovers.....

and what are the 300 shiny lady bars on riverside for? prayer meetings. Expats are the worst hypocrites in the world when it comes to the sex trade. Full of wonderful excuses. Its not these girls fault that you are so umnattractive morally , physically or financially that you cannot get laid for free at home, gentlemen. it is your fault that you have to pay for sex, not theirs

There are "lady-bars" on Riverside? I never noticed any, where are they? The riverside is pretty sleazy, loads of beggars on the sidewalks and then a very sketchy scene across by the river itself. Glue-sniffers, homeless people with serious mental problems etc, but as far as I could ever work out it seems to be dominated by restaurants rather than bars. And I don't see where your moral indignation is coming from, or why you are assuming that someone who comments on local mores must be a total sleaze themselves. Are you projecting?

Not really john. I was referring to riverside the area. As far as I know the road you are referring to is called Sisowath Quay. I was responding to a post which was in an expat forum where many expats extol the virtues of the sex trade pointing a finger at khmers karaoke. Just seems a bit pot calling kettle black, or maybe using the locals behavior as an excuse for their own. By all means declare the virtues of hookers if you want, eve declare why your think its a good thing. but don't just say "well I can do it because the locals can"

i think you missed the initial point,
they were blaming the civilized west for cambodians sex slavery,
when most of the girls being sex trafficked into the sex trade here are aimed at Asian clientele, whether it be KTV's, "Massage Joints", Brothels,
Places most westerners, espesh the ones that frequent the riverside area, dont go or even know about,
the girls that work in the bars around riverside are usually there through choice and not obliged to go sleep with customers

Jamie_Lambo wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:37 am

pczz wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:17 pm

John Bingham wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:58 pm

pczz wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:17 pm

hanno wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:17 am

Exactly!! All these shiny 300-room Karaoke palaces are for the depraved Westerners flashing their guns and Range Rovers.....

and what are the 300 shiny lady bars on riverside for? prayer meetings. Expats are the worst hypocrites in the world when it comes to the sex trade. Full of wonderful excuses. Its not these girls fault that you are so umnattractive morally , physically or financially that you cannot get laid for free at home, gentlemen. it is your fault that you have to pay for sex, not theirs

There are "lady-bars" on Riverside? I never noticed any, where are they? The riverside is pretty sleazy, loads of beggars on the sidewalks and then a very sketchy scene across by the river itself. Glue-sniffers, homeless people with serious mental problems etc, but as far as I could ever work out it seems to be dominated by restaurants rather than bars. And I don't see where your moral indignation is coming from, or why you are assuming that someone who comments on local mores must be a total sleaze themselves. Are you projecting?

Not really john. I was referring to riverside the area. As far as I know the road you are referring to is called Sisowath Quay. I was responding to a post which was in an expat forum where many expats extol the virtues of the sex trade pointing a finger at khmers karaoke. Just seems a bit pot calling kettle black, or maybe using the locals behavior as an excuse for their own. By all means declare the virtues of hookers if you want, eve declare why your think its a good thing. but don't just say "well I can do it because the locals can"

i think you missed the initial point,
they were blaming the civilized west for cambodians sex slavery,
when most of the girls being sex trafficked into the sex trade here are aimed at Asian clientele, whether it be KTV's, "Massage Joints", Brothels,
Places most westerners, espesh the ones that frequent the riverside area, dont go or even know about,
the girls that work in the bars around riverside are usually there through choice and not obliged to go sleep with customers

take your point, but I think many of the girls are still forced into the game by Greedy mums, poverty, sick relatives, running away from the village motivate a lot. The mother in law threatened to sell her youngest to a KTV if we didnt give her money, and we called the child protection unit to have a word with her about jailtime! She had already sold her eldest as a housemaid at the ripe age of 6. When I was a younger and naughtier boy I got quite friendly with a mama san in pattaya and she had scouts out in the villages looking for families in debt. She would then go and buy the prettiest daughter by paying off the debts, The girl then had to work off the debt and the interest for the family before she would be allowed to go home. Not sure if the practice continues today, but anyone wanting to marry the girls had to pay off the mamasan's debt. Remember a big argument one night when the barang came in with his mates and had it out with mamas an. Westerners might not be the cause, but they add to the demand.

pczz wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:31 am

Jamie_Lambo wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:37 am

pczz wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:17 pm

John Bingham wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:58 pm

pczz wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:17 pm
and what are the 300 shiny lady bars on riverside for? prayer meetings. Expats are the worst hypocrites in the world when it comes to the sex trade. Full of wonderful excuses. Its not these girls fault that you are so umnattractive morally , physically or financially that you cannot get laid for free at home, gentlemen. it is your fault that you have to pay for sex, not theirs

There are "lady-bars" on Riverside? I never noticed any, where are they? The riverside is pretty sleazy, loads of beggars on the sidewalks and then a very sketchy scene across by the river itself. Glue-sniffers, homeless people with serious mental problems etc, but as far as I could ever work out it seems to be dominated by restaurants rather than bars. And I don't see where your moral indignation is coming from, or why you are assuming that someone who comments on local mores must be a total sleaze themselves. Are you projecting?

Not really john. I was referring to riverside the area. As far as I know the road you are referring to is called Sisowath Quay. I was responding to a post which was in an expat forum where many expats extol the virtues of the sex trade pointing a finger at khmers karaoke. Just seems a bit pot calling kettle black, or maybe using the locals behavior as an excuse for their own. By all means declare the virtues of hookers if you want, eve declare why your think its a good thing. but don't just say "well I can do it because the locals can"

i think you missed the initial point,
they were blaming the civilized west for cambodians sex slavery,
when most of the girls being sex trafficked into the sex trade here are aimed at Asian clientele, whether it be KTV's, "Massage Joints", Brothels,
Places most westerners, espesh the ones that frequent the riverside area, dont go or even know about,
the girls that work in the bars around riverside are usually there through choice and not obliged to go sleep with customers

take your point, but I think many of the girls are still forced into the game by Greedy mums, poverty, sick relatives, running away from the village motivate a lot.

exactly, but how is the west to blame?
sure some girls are able to go work in hostess bars instead of being sold into brothels,
and those hostess bars in thailand and cambodia are usualy aimed at foreign customers,
but you dont get hostess bars in the west, they are an Asian invention originally aimed at Asian Clientele

so im still trying to see how the west is getting the blame for Cambodias Sex/Human Trafficking crisis as reported in the article

the sex industry in Cambodia is aimed at Asian clientele
if you think the 110 hostess bars in phnom penh and the 20-30 in sihanoukville out number the amount of KTVs, "Massage" joints and full on brothels aimed at Khmer customers, you might need to re-think the situation

so im still trying to see how the west is getting the blame for Cambodias Sex/Human Trafficking crisis as reported in the article

wasnt around before the time to see but i was of the impression that it all began in the region with R&R for the US military from the Vietnam war. still a major if not primary cause elsewhere as i see it even thought they are switching to faggots only now

(┛◉Д◉)┛ wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:01 am

so im still trying to see how the west is getting the blame for Cambodias Sex/Human Trafficking crisis as reported in the article

wasnt around before the time to see but i was of the impression that it all began in the region with R&R for the US military from the Vietnam war. still a major if not primary cause elsewhere as i see it even thought they are switching to faggots only now

They've taken up smoking?

not to mention the demand from UN employees and NGOS as reference in the media recently

UK threatens to cut off aid cash to charities after Oxfam sex report
By William James
LONDON (Reuters) - Britain will cut off aid funding from any organisation that does not comply with a new review into charities work overseas, aid minister Penny Mordaunt said on Sunday, describing reports of sexual exploitation in the sector as "utterly despicable".
Oxfam, one of Britain's biggest charities, on Friday condemned the behaviour of some former staff in Haiti after a newspaper report said aid workers had paid for sex while on a mission to help those affected by a 2010 earthquake.

and

Oxfam faces more sex abuse and prostitution claims from Chad after Haiti
Source: Xinhua| 2018-02-12 05:11:54|Editor: yan

LONDON, Feb. 11 (Xinhua) -- The Oxfam, an international anti-poverty charity, which has been hit by a sex abuse scandal in Haiti, now is facing more sex allegations from Chad.

The charity, one of the biggest and best known in Britain, was plunged into crisis after it was revealed that its staff, including its local director, paid for sex in Haiti where they were based in 2011 after a devastating earthquake.

The Sunday Times reported in London that more than 120 aid workers with leading charities in Britain have been accused of sexual abuse in the past year.

One thing I will say in defence of the girly bars by comparison with the KTVs etc ( lets not forget that the vast majority of all these places are owned by Khmer and other Asians) is that they don't employ children to perform sex with adults as the KTVs etc often do.

Also, I don't know if this is true or not, but someone in Vietnam told me a lot of the girls have been put on the game by their parents etc by the age of 12 or 13 to service the village community. When they get to the age of 18 they can go and earn more money legally in the bars of HCM.

So you know me pczz? You know that I go to ladybars every night, take drugs, and pay for hookers?

Not only do you NOT know me, you also completely missed the point I was trying to make. Maybe actually read the original article before generalizing across the board? (I take it you are Khmer as you are obviously not an expat?).