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bartender3042 wrote: Sun Apr 23, 2017 5:51 pm
episteme wrote: Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:39 pm i don't think heart attacks in cambodia are meth associated tho.
i suspect it may be to do with the climate and how one adapts to it, or doesn't.
and drinking.

Ha. Are you actually being serious?
No offence intended but that has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever read on any of the Thai/Cambo/Laos forums in 15 years.
I don't often post but I had to, here.
Do you really believe this?
i speculate, i don't believe.
i wouldn't actually know, i wonder about it myself.
all i know is meth is not that common of a reason for cardiac arrest - it doesn't really put THAT much strain on the heart, poison as it may be.
but i do know that environmental factors always play a significant role in these matters.
i also know what too much sun/heat exposure does to me.
and some things exacerbate pre-existing conditions, or predispositions to certain things.
and it's never a single cause, but usually culmination of many causes.
feel free to add your own thoughts/observations - you've been around for 15 years, i haven't.
i'm genuinely curious.
and no offense taken, nor necessary.
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The heart attacks are due to the heat and people drinking ice cold Coke
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Cam Nivag wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:14 pm The heart attacks are due to the heat and people drinking ice cold Coke
Don't forget, they turn orange as well.... :stir:
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episteme wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:17 am
all i know is meth is not that common of a reason for cardiac arrest - it doesn't really put THAT much strain on the heart, poison as it may be.
I've already posted this, but you obviously missed it so here it is again:Cardiotoxicity associated with methamphetamine use and signs of cardiovascular pathology among methamphetamine users

Evidence of cardiotoxicity among methamphetamine users
The most widely reported adverse cardiovascular effects of methamphetamine use are chest pain, tachycardia and other cardiac arrhythmias, shortness of breath and high blood pressure. The less frequently observed, but more severe, acute cardiovascular complications of methamphetamine use are acute myocardial infarction, acute aortic dissection, and sudden cardiac death. The medical literature contained several single case reports and case series reports of acute myocardial infarction. Acute myocardial infarction often occurred in the absence of identifiable coronary artery disease.

https://ndarc.med.unsw.edu.au/resource/ ... logy-among

Some more:
Heart Problems Due to Meth Use and Treatment Facilities

Meth is a very intense drug; it can cause intense feelings of pleasure. On the flip side, it can cause many unpleasant feelings as well. Chronic meth use can cause severe damage to many of the body’s organs, including the heart.

According to The Meth Project, meth speeds up the heart. Frequent use can cause a variety of heart problems, including heart failure, which is fatal.http://luxury.rehabs.com/crystal-meth-a ... -problems/

Methamphetamine-Associated Cardiomyopathy

Reports of methamphetamine-associated cardiomyopathy (MAC) are increasing, but MAC has not been well reviewed. This analysis of MAC will provide an overview of the pharmacology of methamphetamine, historical perspective and epidemiology, a review of case and clinical studies, and a summary of the proposed mechanisms for MAC.

In conclusion, recognition of the significance of MAC among physicians and other medical caregivers is important given the growing use of methamphetamine and related stimulants worldwide.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4319790/

Amphetamine Abuse Linked To Heart Attacks In Young Adults

Young adults who abuse amphetamines may be at greater risk of suffering a heart attack. Amphetamines may contribute to heart attacks by increasing heart rate and blood pressure and by causing inflammation and artery spasms that limit blood to the heart muscle. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 091829.htm
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kiwiincambodia wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:27 pm
Cam Nivag wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:14 pm The heart attacks are due to the heat and people drinking ice cold Coke
Don't forget, they turn orange as well.... :stir:
i don't know what was the effect intended, but i am actually laughing my ass off :D
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Kuroneko wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2017 3:42 pm
episteme wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:17 am
all i know is meth is not that common of a reason for cardiac arrest - it doesn't really put THAT much strain on the heart, poison as it may be.
I've already posted this, but you obviously missed it so here it is again:Cardiotoxicity associated with methamphetamine use and signs of cardiovascular pathology among methamphetamine users

Evidence of cardiotoxicity among methamphetamine users
The most widely reported adverse cardiovascular effects of methamphetamine use are chest pain, tachycardia and other cardiac arrhythmias, shortness of breath and high blood pressure. The less frequently observed, but more severe, acute cardiovascular complications of methamphetamine use are acute myocardial infarction, acute aortic dissection, and sudden cardiac death. The medical literature contained several single case reports and case series reports of acute myocardial infarction. Acute myocardial infarction often occurred in the absence of identifiable coronary artery disease.

https://ndarc.med.unsw.edu.au/resource/ ... logy-among

Some more:
Heart Problems Due to Meth Use and Treatment Facilities

Meth is a very intense drug; it can cause intense feelings of pleasure. On the flip side, it can cause many unpleasant feelings as well. Chronic meth use can cause severe damage to many of the body’s organs, including the heart.

According to The Meth Project, meth speeds up the heart. Frequent use can cause a variety of heart problems, including heart failure, which is fatal.http://luxury.rehabs.com/crystal-meth-a ... -problems/

Methamphetamine-Associated Cardiomyopathy

Reports of methamphetamine-associated cardiomyopathy (MAC) are increasing, but MAC has not been well reviewed. This analysis of MAC will provide an overview of the pharmacology of methamphetamine, historical perspective and epidemiology, a review of case and clinical studies, and a summary of the proposed mechanisms for MAC.

In conclusion, recognition of the significance of MAC among physicians and other medical caregivers is important given the growing use of methamphetamine and related stimulants worldwide.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4319790/

Amphetamine Abuse Linked To Heart Attacks In Young Adults

Young adults who abuse amphetamines may be at greater risk of suffering a heart attack. Amphetamines may contribute to heart attacks by increasing heart rate and blood pressure and by causing inflammation and artery spasms that limit blood to the heart muscle. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 091829.htm
man... unless i really am living on another planet, 1) what you described above, one has to take a lot, systematically, for a long time 2) so long time that i think he would have died from something else here by then.
so much that, at that point of intake, you can compare it with booze in terms of which does more damage - and booze is a whole lot worse, in any given department, when it gets there.
so then what - there's lotsa really hardcore substance abusers in cambodia?
jesus man...
and once again, its never a single cause.

also: meth can cause damage to many organs INCLUDING the liver.

just like alcohol, it damages indiscriminately.
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episteme, what can I say? have u been round the crank circle long? 5 yrs. or more.

Ywer rite bout controlled use. Maybe. Know some that just chip along . And even work intense jobs.
\I've never seen even a moderate habitual meth user come out the other side half the person that entered.
\YMMV
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Bullshit, hundreds of millions of people drink alcohol every day with very few side-effects other than some drunkenness and hangovers. Of course there are chronic alcoholics, but these are a small minority of drinkers. Not many people can drink for more than a day without falling asleep, meth-heads can have sessions without sleeping for 5 days or more.
A tiny fraction of that number smoke meth, but a whole lot of them get seriously fucked up physically and mentally, or incarcerated for stealing and extreme violence. People who do meth tend to also smoke and drink, while the converse is rarely true.

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Luigi wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:44 pm episteme, what can I say? have u been round the crank circle long? 5 yrs. or more.

Ywer rite bout controlled use. Maybe. Know some that just chip along . And even work intense jobs.
\I've never seen even a moderate habitual meth user come out the other side half the person that entered.
\YMMV
crank circle?
you mean, meth?
not here, but elsewhere.
quite a few die from this or that eventually, usually they lose their mind first - you can clearly see when that process begins, and...
well its never a surprise for anybody.

john says people drink alcohol every day and are just fine.
cool.
i agree, i do too.
try pushing on the pedal with the booze for a month, properly.
try do it in a southeast asian tropical swamp.
then listen to your heart...
still comparing apples and oranges.

to the point, i didn't know the guy, i can't tell.
and i'm not arguing anything.

everybody drink, snort and inject whatever you feel like, please.
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John Bingham wrote: Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:13 am Bullshit, hundreds of millions of people drink alcohol every day with very few side-effects other than some drunkenness and hangovers. Of course there are chronic alcoholics, but these are a small minority of drinkers. Not many people can drink for more than a day without falling asleep, meth-heads can have sessions without sleeping for 5 days or more.
A tiny fraction of that number smoke meth, but a whole lot of them get seriously fucked up physically and mentally, or incarcerated for stealing and extreme violence. People who do meth tend to also smoke and drink, while the converse is rarely true.

that video is so much bullshit its actually annoying:)

have you actually ever done meth?

"..cos the reason is cos it shoots up your dopamine so high and uh..."

god, those clichees and expressions!
do you people even know what DOPAMINE is apart from being a WORD?!

for the record, not a proud one, but i've shot up meth for 2 months straight then just said fuck it.
long time ago another place and different kind of time i was shooting up smack for i won't say how many years, then when i emerged from that - as it inevitably almost always happens, i had bouts of horrible alcoholism.

you know what ALMOST killed me in the end?

it wasn't the smack or the meth, it was the booze.
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