Yobbo wrote: Children have a greater natural immunity & it is not necessary to vaccinate them!

Equinix wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:43 pm

Yobbo wrote: Children have a greater natural immunity & it is not necessary to vaccinate them!

Clarification. The mortality rate among children, when it comes to covid is extremely low. After they've had contact with the virus and recovered, they'll have natural immunity.

Yobbo wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:34 pm

Jerry Atrick wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:27 pm

Yobbo wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:25 pm

Jerry Atrick wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:19 pm

Bitte_Kein_Lexus wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:11 pm While I agree on principle, I think it gets murkier with children. What about them? Just a few years ago, not vaccinating a child for polio, the measles and so on would be considered child abuse. Now it seems like there's a backlash against even well established vaccines.

For children, their legal guardian can decide on their behalf.

I'm pro vaccine btw, but also am pro choice

Children have a greater natural immunity & it is not necessary to vaccinate them!

For covid, agree. But my kids have all the usual childhood jabs that are used for decades now with good reason

Yes but to generalize those reasons is not a good enough reason! It has already been stated on this forum that a natural immunity is more beneficial. And I would take the word of the gospel

Yobbo wrote: Well slap me & call me Susan

violet wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:39 pm

hdgh29 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:13 pm Most governments are coming to the conclusion that restrictions and lockdowns can only ever be a temporary solution, and the hope of a permanent return to personal freedom (socalising, exercising, bars, restaurants, sports events etc) relies on a fully vaccinated population - just like polio, TB or any number of problems that are under control. Given we are in a age of craziness, if we want to return to some sort of normality we cannot tolerate those who refuse voluntary vaccination, despite the fact they may have genuine fears and concerns. Mandatory? Does that mean compulsory? I effing hope so. Covid may always be with us, like the flu or like malaria, but if its under control we can get our lives back.
Refuseniks? take em out back and shoot em. Under rule 303.
BTW yes I have had two shots of Sinopharm. I dont know if it will really do any good, its more of a PR exercise, so I can say "I am safe, I've had the jab". Its a bit like playing the lottery. A lot of folks tell you its a waste of money, you will never win. But you stand even less chance of winning if you dont buy a ticket.

Hello.

You talk about a fully vaccinated population being the way out for polio - yep. A one off vaccination. When the entire population is vaccinated the disease can’t survive.

Then you talk about the flu. A flu vaccine does not stop the flu being in our environment, spread and caught. It requires regular jabs each year. Many never have a flu jab. I have only ever had two in my life for example.

It makes sense to make something like the polio vaccine mandatory. Or Yellow Fever for entry to some countries. But general consensus is that covid-19, like the flu, will never be eliminated. So, it isn’t logical to compare it to mandatory vaccines that enable a disease to be eliminated from a population.

It ought to be compared to a flu jab. Covid-19 would still exist spread and be caught even if we were 100% vaccinated worldwide, because the vaccines are not made to eliminate the virus, their design means they reduce rather than eliminate. Those who are vulnerable, and who choose to, have the flu jab. Those who are vulnerable, and who choose to, should have the covid jab.

It’s not logical to mandate the vaccines when they reduce rather than eliminate. If they produce a vaccine that eliminates, I’d say mandate it immediately worldwide.

The COVID-19 situation is changing rapidly. Since this disease is caused by a new virus, the vast majority of people do not yet have immunity to it. Doctors and scientists are working to estimate the mortality rate of COVID-19, but at present, it is thought to be substantially higher (possibly 10 times or more) than that of most strains of the flu.

John Bingham wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:38 pm Nobody has ever had "natural immunity" to diseases like Polio or Smallpox.

violet wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:39 pm Hello.

You talk about a fully vaccinated population being the way out for polio - yep. A one off vaccination. When the entire population is vaccinated the disease can’t survive.

Then you talk about the flu. A flu vaccine does not stop the flu being in our environment, spread and caught. It requires regular jabs each year. Many never have a flu jab. I have only ever had two in my life for example.

It makes sense to make something like the polio vaccine mandatory. Or Yellow Fever for entry to some countries. But general consensus is that covid-19, like the flu, will never be eliminated. So, it isn’t logical to compare it to mandatory vaccines that enable a disease to be eliminated from a population.

It ought to be compared to a flu jab. Covid-19 would still exist spread and be caught even if we were 100% vaccinated worldwide, because the vaccines are not made to eliminate the virus, their design means they reduce rather than eliminate. Those who are vulnerable, and who choose to, have the flu jab. Those who are vulnerable, and who choose to, should have the covid jab.

It’s not logical to mandate the vaccines when they reduce rather than eliminate. If they produce a vaccine that eliminates, I’d say mandate it immediately worldwide.