LTO wrote:

TheGrinchSR wrote:I'm being contentious mainly because you're full of shit. You keep pushing your agenda when the reality doesn't match that agenda. I don't really give a monkey's about your situation in Sihanoukville... I care about what's really going on for everyone.

You can cling to 25,000 out of 80,000 as a crackdown (which actually seems pretty poor if they were visiting places of employment but that's another story) but if that's only in workplaces and mainly Chinese and Koreans, and it appears that it is - then it's not relevant to the majority of CEO posters - no matter what you think and keep pushing.

What is it that makes it appear to you that it is mostly Koreans and Chinese? Was there something in the news? I don't know the nationalities of the 25,000 but i wouldn't think most Koreans and Chinese are in the "education, tourism, civil society" sectors like the 25,000. Also, back in the days before this recent crackdown on WPs, the only ones that had work permits were the non-VN Asians working here, mostly factory management and workers. Not to say that most had their WPs, but if anybody did, they did. It was the barang that didn't.

LTO wrote:

TheGrinchSR wrote:I'm being contentious mainly because you're full of shit. You keep pushing your agenda when the reality doesn't match that agenda. I don't really give a monkey's about your situation in Sihanoukville... I care about what's really going on for everyone.

You can cling to 25,000 out of 80,000 as a crackdown (which actually seems pretty poor if they were visiting places of employment but that's another story) but if that's only in workplaces and mainly Chinese and Koreans, and it appears that it is - then it's not relevant to the majority of CEO posters - no matter what you think and keep pushing.

What is it that makes it appear to you that it is mostly Koreans and Chinese? Was there something in the news? I don't know the nationalities of the 25,000 but i wouldn't think most Koreans and Chinese are in the "education, tourism, civil society" sectors like the 25,000. Also, back in the days before this recent crackdown on WPs, the only ones that had work permits were the non-VN Asians working here, mostly factory management and workers. Not to say that most had their WPs, but if anybody did, they did. It was the barang that didn't.

I think there is a bit of slight of hand going on with the data, the reason being is there are two differing base lines being applied - 2014 annual figures of 20,000 and just a 6 month 2015 figure of 25,000
A true or at least more accurate picture would have been a direct comparison with the first 6 months of 2014 against first 6 months of 2015.

The basis being the majority of applications could be processed in the first half of any given year rather than the second half of same.
If one were to prescribe to this flawed logic and extremely unbalanced position of 25,000 WP being processed in the first 6 months of 2015 being evidence of a 'crackdown', one would require to follow this flawed logic that another 25,000 will be processed in the second half of 2015 and that would be just daft.

Keep in mind the actual quote was - From January to June 2015, the number of foreigners who applied for the work permits saw an increase of about 5,000 people, he pointed out.

By a process of deduction, if 20,000 were processed in all of 2014, there has been 5,000 'increase' in the first 6 months of 2015, the spokesman is confirming both the 20,000 of all 2014 were processed in the first 6 months of 2014.
This appears to confirm that the total figure likely for all of 2015 will be in the region of 25,000 - not just the first 6 months.


From the referenced Khmer Times article;
From January to June, 1,600 foreigners were deported due to documentation issues, 98 percent of whom were Vietnamese, Sok Phal said.

Although the original press release states 1,200 from 41 countries;

25,000 Foreigners Apply for Work Permits in Cambodia in First Semester
AKP Phnom Penh, July 22, 2015 –
Cambodia’s Minister of Labor and Vocational Training H.E. Ith Samheng has recently said that some 25,000 foreigners had applied for the work permits in Cambodia during the first six months of this year.
From January to June 2015, the number of foreigners who applied for the work permits saw an increase of about 5,000 people, he pointed out.
Most of them work in Cambodia in the fields of education, tourism, civil society organizations and so on.
During the same period, Cambodian authorities have deported over 1,200 undocumented immigrants of 41 nationalities.
http://www.akp.gov.kh/?p=66178

Note, 98% of deportations associated with Vietnamese nationals with regard to 'undocumented immigrants', this could mean multiple issues with regard to no identity card or basic documentation, it does not equate to an any issues with WP.

Even if there is an increase year on year of WP processing which is a good thing, it's an unfair, unreasonable, unbalanced argument to refer to a so called 'crackdown' with no supporting evidence.
It's fair and reasonable that merely increased awareness and knowledge, even if the information is patchy or incomplete will ultimately achieve higher participation of any scheme.

When the information is properly reviewed, not misread or misrepresented, TheGrinchSR argument is spot on fully supported by the data.

takeoman wrote:

vladimir wrote:So, in summary:

1. WAIT, when they come, negotiate, and pay what they insist on.

Lot of talk to get to that point.

Or perhaps tell them that, just as soon as your residency card is issued ,you will be rushing down to the MOL.

That and at the same time that you would like to get your $150 1-year business visa extension that is part of the work permit law. And a refund on all the years you overpaid for E visa extensions.

CJM555 wrote:

LTO wrote:

TheGrinchSR wrote:I'm being contentious mainly because you're full of shit. You keep pushing your agenda when the reality doesn't match that agenda. I don't really give a monkey's about your situation in Sihanoukville... I care about what's really going on for everyone.

You can cling to 25,000 out of 80,000 as a crackdown (which actually seems pretty poor if they were visiting places of employment but that's another story) but if that's only in workplaces and mainly Chinese and Koreans, and it appears that it is - then it's not relevant to the majority of CEO posters - no matter what you think and keep pushing.

What is it that makes it appear to you that it is mostly Koreans and Chinese? Was there something in the news? I don't know the nationalities of the 25,000 but i wouldn't think most Koreans and Chinese are in the "education, tourism, civil society" sectors like the 25,000. Also, back in the days before this recent crackdown on WPs, the only ones that had work permits were the non-VN Asians working here, mostly factory management and workers. Not to say that most had their WPs, but if anybody did, they did. It was the barang that didn't.

LTO wrote:

TheGrinchSR wrote:I'm being contentious mainly because you're full of shit. You keep pushing your agenda when the reality doesn't match that agenda. I don't really give a monkey's about your situation in Sihanoukville... I care about what's really going on for everyone.

You can cling to 25,000 out of 80,000 as a crackdown (which actually seems pretty poor if they were visiting places of employment but that's another story) but if that's only in workplaces and mainly Chinese and Koreans, and it appears that it is - then it's not relevant to the majority of CEO posters - no matter what you think and keep pushing.

What is it that makes it appear to you that it is mostly Koreans and Chinese? Was there something in the news? I don't know the nationalities of the 25,000 but i wouldn't think most Koreans and Chinese are in the "education, tourism, civil society" sectors like the 25,000. Also, back in the days before this recent crackdown on WPs, the only ones that had work permits were the non-VN Asians working here, mostly factory management and workers. Not to say that most had their WPs, but if anybody did, they did. It was the barang that didn't.

I think there is a bit of slight of hand going on with the data, the reason being is there are two differing base lines being applied - 2014 annual figures of 20,000 and just a 6 month 2015 figure of 25,000
A true or at least more accurate picture would have been a direct comparison with the first 6 months of 2014 against first 6 months of 2015.

The basis being the majority of applications could be processed in the first half of any given year rather than the second half of same.
If one were to prescribe to this flawed logic and extremely unbalanced position of 25,000 WP being processed in the first 6 months of 2015 being evidence of a 'crackdown', one would require to follow this flawed logic that another 25,000 will be processed in the second half of 2015 and that would be just daft.

Keep in mind the actual quote was - From January to June 2015, the number of foreigners who applied for the work permits saw an increase of about 5,000 people, he pointed out.

By a process of deduction, if 20,000 were processed in all of 2014, there has been 5,000 'increase' in the first 6 months of 2015, the spokesman is confirming both the 20,000 of all 2014 were processed in the first 6 months of 2014.
This appears to confirm that the total figure likely for all of 2015 will be in the region of 25,000 - not just the first 6 months.


From the referenced Khmer Times article;
From January to June, 1,600 foreigners were deported due to documentation issues, 98 percent of whom were Vietnamese, Sok Phal said.

Although the original press release states 1,200 from 41 countries;

25,000 Foreigners Apply for Work Permits in Cambodia in First Semester
AKP Phnom Penh, July 22, 2015 –
Cambodia’s Minister of Labor and Vocational Training H.E. Ith Samheng has recently said that some 25,000 foreigners had applied for the work permits in Cambodia during the first six months of this year.
From January to June 2015, the number of foreigners who applied for the work permits saw an increase of about 5,000 people, he pointed out.
Most of them work in Cambodia in the fields of education, tourism, civil society organizations and so on.
During the same period, Cambodian authorities have deported over 1,200 undocumented immigrants of 41 nationalities.
http://www.akp.gov.kh/?p=66178

Note, 98% of deportations associated with Vietnamese nationals with regard to 'undocumented immigrants', this could mean multiple issues with regard to no identity card or basic documentation, it does not equate to an any issues with WP.

Even if there is an increase year on year of WP processing which is a good thing, it's an unfair, unreasonable, unbalanced argument to refer to a so called 'crackdown' with no supporting evidence.
It's fair and reasonable that merely increased awareness and knowledge, even if the information is patchy or incomplete will ultimately achieve higher participation of any scheme.

When the information is properly reviewed, not misread or misrepresented, TheGrinchSR argument is spot on fully supported by the data.

agree with everything here, this is how i understood it when i was reading it, it then got confusing when people started debating their opinions

LTO wrote:

takeoman wrote:

vladimir wrote:So, in summary:

1. WAIT, when they come, negotiate, and pay what they insist on.

Lot of talk to get to that point.

Or perhaps tell them that, just as soon as your residency card is issued ,you will be rushing down to the MOL.

That and at the same time that you would like to get your $150 1-year business visa extension that is part of the work permit law. And a refund on all the years you overpaid for E visa extensions.

YES!

LTO wrote: That and at the same time that you would like to get your $150 1-year business visa extension that is part of the work permit law. And a refund on all the years you overpaid for E visa extensions.

exact source plz!?

I just read some information about work permits. So everybody with a "business" visa must have a work permit? If not, the police can charge u 100$ every time as you not have the work permit?
But to get a work permit,you must have a job with contract or registered business papers. I live in the province , I wanna earn money off course, I have no business registration, because I have no business, only hobby, and I have no contract because I have no boss. Still its possible to get a work permit?
And what brings this in the future? Everybody must have contracts and business registrations to get a work permit + long term visa, and the people that don't have that must do the monthly visa run?

Damn they don't make it easier with this unclear laws.

I have a NGO visa , can I apply for a work Permit or do I Need an E Visa ?

LTO wrote: that you would like to get your $150 1-year business visa extension that is part of the work permit law. And a refund on all the years you overpaid for E visa extensions.

Exactly. I always wondered why a lot more hasn't been made of this fact?
Cheeky f'in cnuts.
I remember going to immigration in Vietnam for my free extra month on a tourist visa. No chance. What is it about Asians and their total hatred of anyone that isn't them? Or is it a sign that they love us more? All these new immigration laws are just other examples of racist Asian bullshit and have nothing to do with making Cambodia a better place to live for anyone but the wealthy.