DaveG wrote: ↑Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:59 pm TOG Wrote,

"The main aim is to punish the UK for daring to be democratic and in doing so prevent any other country from having the same idea."

Hi TOG, this is a genuine question and not aimed at knocking you as we all have the right to our beliefs " How is the EU punishing us" appears to me that the UK is asking for more than any other 3rd country, this would cause discontent amongst all the other 3rd countries that they have deals with and open the floodgates to every other 3rd country demanding preferential treatment. Why does the UK think it is any better or special than any other country not in the block.

No problem, a very sensible question. In my opinion (humble of course) all the UK wants to do is to pull out of the EU, pay it's legal obligations and then negotiate trade deals based on the fact that the UK is a market of some 70 million people and apart from Germany, the largest economy in Europe. It's the Irish question that the EU are using as blocker. If they wanted, the EU could easily agree with the UK a borderless Ireland, they don't want to. Ireland want to see a unified Ireland and see this as a way of achieving it. Push the border back to the sea and absorb Northern Ireland. Of course, they are not brave enough to actually come out and say this.

If we look at what is on offer from the EU.

Back stop without a closure date.
UK remain in customs union and single market during this period.
UK have to accept freedom of movement during this indefinite period
UK have to continue to pay Brussels the annual rip off for as long as the backstop is in place.
UK have to accept all of the EU laws and projects voted for during this period.
UK committed to even more debt.
UK remain part of the EU indefinitely without having any say in what happens.
UK unable to make any trade deals with other countries during this indefinite period.

It's the last two in bold that hurt us the most. We have no say in any law or project agreed on in the EU. We are unable to make any trade deals for an indefinite period (back stop deal) and of course as long as we are stuck in this loop we have to continue to pay into the EU coffers.

It's being part of the EU without any say in what happens.

Just Google how the EU are trying to hurt the UK, there are many informed people out there who can put this better than me.

I totally agree with you for once, the deal is really shite, we don't have to take it, we can however just leave without a deal BUT and it is a big BUT the UK must be prepared to take the consequences of that decision, that is not the EU punishing us, that is us (The UK) deciding to leave of it's own free will and accepting the consequences both good and bad.

TOG wrote: ↑Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:23 pm

pczz wrote: ↑Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:23 pm No mate. we are going to do everything possible to sabotage brexit for tye next 25 years, same as you lot have done for the last 25 years. if you are such a fan ofdemocracy what is wrong inletting the people decide if the lyinh publuc schoolboys have delivered on their promise of milk and honey? coul d it be because the lies and bulkshit of mostly wealthy tories that tricked the people won't work twice?

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At least try to contribute something sensible to the thread. However looking at you previous posts on various threads you are obviously only on the forum to stir up trouble.

You are correct. I am an honorary brexiteer. My sole purpose in life is to talk utter nonsense, lie and then try to find ways to blame other people for it

DaveG wrote: ↑Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:24 pm I totally agree with you for once, the deal is really shite, we don't have to take it, we can however just leave without a deal BUT and it is a big BUT the UK must be prepared to take the consequences of that decision, that is not the EU punishing us, that is us (The UK) deciding to leave of it's own free will and accepting the consequences both good and bad.

I agree and if the EU had only been sensible in the first place, sat down with the UK and worked out a deal that would work for both sides we would not be in this position.

However, Junkers is on record as saying that the EU must ensure no other country will want to leave...hence the bad deal on the table.

I have enough confidence in the UK to believe that if we have a hard Brexit, we may have pain for 6 months or so but then we will recover and strike much better deals with other countries.

Every single country in Europe apart from Ireland, Cyprus, Greece and Malta and Luxembourg have a surplus with us. The UK is the EU's largest single export market in goods...they need us more than we need them.

pczz wrote: ↑Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:36 pm You are correct. I am an honorary brexiteer. My sole purpose in life is to talk utter nonsense, lie and then try to find ways to blame other people for it

Well at least you have admitted what you are. Now time to put you on the ignore list.

The EU could easily agree to a UK BOARDERLESS Ireland. What. Excuse my Secondary Modern Pleb Education here but I always thought Brexit was about taking back control. Strengthening our borders, To keep all those nasty foreigners out. Are you seriously trying to blame the EU here. If Spain was leaving the EU do you think The EU would allow Spain to have a free border with France and Portugal. NO it would not, and you dam well know it. STOP blaming the EU. the UK is at fault here again.


BREAKING NEWS
The British company Flybmi has gone into administration and cancelled all flights.
The British company, which flew 17 regional jet aircraft on routes to 25 European Cities, says Brexit has been a major factor in I'ts demise. 376 people based in UK, Germany, Sweden and Belgium work for the airline and their jobs are at risk. Those naughty Europeans again. Beastly, Beastly people. And we won the war!!. And a world cup. Keep a stiff upper lip TOG. Tally Ho. Jolly Hockeysticks and all that.

YORKIE wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:15 am The EU could easily agree to a UK BOARDERLESS Ireland. What. Excuse my Secondary Modern Pleb Education here but I always thought Brexit was about taking back control. Strengthening our borders, To keep all those nasty foreigners out. Are you seriously trying to blame the EU here. If Spain was leaving the EU do you think The EU would allow Spain to have a free border with France and Portugal. NO it would not, and you dam well know it. STOP blaming the EU. the UK is at fault here again.


BREAKING NEWS
The British company Flybmi has gone into administration and cancelled all flights.
The British company, which flew 17 regional jet aircraft on routes to 25 European Cities, says Brexit has been a major factor in I'ts demise. 376 people based in UK, Germany, Sweden and Belgium work for the airline and their jobs are at risk. Those naughty Europeans again. Beastly, Beastly people. And we won the war!!. And a world cup. Keep a stiff upper lip TOG. Tally Ho. Jolly Hockeysticks and all that.

Yorkie, I am surprised that you even want to stay in the UK. You seem to be a staunch EU supporter. There are 27 countries to chose from.

OK, that's just sarcasm. I have always stated that for me, Brexit is about taking away government from Brussels and giving it back to Westminster. I have never said anything about keeping out nasty foreigners.

In another thread somewhere, I stated that I believe that anyone in the EU who can afford to support themselves and their families, not be over in the UK for benefits etc. should be allowed to come to the UK for as long as they like. Regarding jobs, just like the majority of countries in the world, we should give first pick to UK citizens but anyone else (EU or otherwise) should be allowed to apply for work in the UK if the job could not be filled by a UK citizen.

What you seem not to understand is the concern that Brussels have about trade with the UK. If we have trade agreements with other countries that allow goods into the UK at lower rates than the EU, Brussels is worried that those goods will find their way into the EU thus undercutting EU tariffs. That is why Brussels are insisting on a border at the sea and they are the ones who will not allow a borderless N.Ireland. Our stance is that we can handle this with paperwork and electronic tracking of goods. It is the EU who will not allow this and are insisting on the backstop as a way of circumnavigating the issue.

Re the airline,. Yes it is easy to blame Brexit but we are still part of the EU and fuel prices are the same for everyone. This is just an airline that has a bad business plan. If you had been following the European news, there are several European small airlines that have gone belly up over the last few months. It is not all about Brexit, that is just a convenient excuse.

It's not all about Brexit. Got it. Question again Would the EU allow Spain to have a free trade border with France and Portugal

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It's not all about Brexit. Got it. Question again Would the EU allow Spain to have a free trade border with France and Portugal
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Any sovereign country can do what it likes. The EU can put up hurdles but in the end it's down to the parliament of the sovereign country.

You do realise we are living in the 21st century and that hard borders are a thing of the past? Do you honestly think that the only answer to separate trade countries is a hard border? That's a luddite approach.

There is such a simple answer to this. Ireland initially rejected the Lisbon treaty. If Ireland leaves the EU, no problems anywhere. It's what their people wanted until they were brow beaten into a second referendum.

CEO has gone loopy on me. The print has shrunk to microscopic size. It's only this forum that is affected. All my other apps and forums are normal.

That's it, cup of tea and let time heal the system.