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Re: Wiki wiki

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that still falls in the trap of data becoming obsolete... which is what a wiki is intended to avoid.

someone posting a response to a thread that _________ is now actually __________ is fine and dandy... but can also get lost in future comments/etc leaving the original post unchanged. yeah, the OP or an admin can edit those... if they notice to do so. as we can see from the system like that on 440, it gets missed. at least this way when anyone notices it, they can edit it and fix it.

as for trolling... again, that's why we'll filter those individuals out as they come. though i don't think its as bad as you make it out to be, especially when several steps are involved in even being able to edit. a lot to do just to get it rolled back (and it keeps prior versions so changes can just be rolled back in a single click) a few hours later by someone who noticed it. it may also get a number of people who generally lurk but don't post involved with it... as it's not a regular forum conversation.

the comments thing AE is pointing out is neat... but not really relevant to basic factual stuff like an encyclopedia entry. I'd say if people want to Q/A an entry, the ideal place would be over here in the Q/A section.... which would obviously lead to updates if needed.
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Re: Wiki wiki

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phuketrichard wrote:so basically u can just take all the info on
khmer440#com/chat_forum/viewforum.php?f=21

Of the moving to Cambodia blog/book,
http://www.movetocambodia.com/blog/

although still a good idea for newbies that are coming here rather than going there
You're suggesting that at least some published information wasn't gleaned from the forums?
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Re: Wiki wiki

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No, i think he's just suggesting that it would be same old same old as the info there...

where i think it would be more up to date because it would have more hands on deck keeping it that way when shit changes, as it's prone to do in cambodia.
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Re: Wiki wiki

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of course its same ole same ole;
many things do not change
but than again some do ( visa fees ) changed once in what 10 years?)

thats why it should be under
CAMBODIA info with sub threads
sticky

The moving to Cambodia book was nothing but all info she got off of the net/forums

Like i said good idea for here ( good idea for any specific country forum) as not everyone goes to all forums seeking info.
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Re: Wiki wiki

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one of my big issues with just making it more forum posts is that it will likely get lost in a sea of them. giving it it's own menu navigation item to it's own section of the site that is more than just more forum posts makes it "cleaner". also opens it up for public editing, and lets you categorize things nicely instead of just "latest post on top".

yeah, we could make forums with subforums with subforums and so on... but that would get cumbersome to navigate as well.

i also like people being able to make content as they see fit, then have it reviewed by the community with requests for citations and such added, then update it to meet those demands, and so on. the reason wikipedia grew to the success it did was because that system IS actually a really good one. lets people collaboratively work on something fairly easily. it's also a great format for presenting information like that.

it even has a "discussion" backend to any content so people can discuss changes and why they made them right there (or why they rolled them back in such cases). it can keep all of that potential "back and forth" mess out of here.

also, since the whole concept of "freedom of speech" isn't going to apply there (it will be heavily moderated with some pretty strict rules, most of which will likely be ripped off from wikipedia themselves) it prevents any confusion that might arise about what can/can't be posted there vs here.

The whole idea is that it really is a very separate thing than the rest of the site, and so keeping it in a separate format in a separate section just sort of re-enforces that.

As for does stuff change or not here... I gave visas as a recent and relevant example, but a lot in cambodia changes (though I know you frequently insist it never does) pretty regularly. from addresses and phone numbers to laws and "enforcement" to what is/isn't a quality service provider. shit fluxuates... a significant amount it if happens to line up with a visit to the kingdom for someone and they get bad information.
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Re: Wiki wiki

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The Buffalo Sister review in the article section lists its address as St. 19 even though it moved months ago and there are only 6 or so articles to maintain there. I think a wiki is way too much work and doubt it would be maintained once the novelty wore off.
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Re: Wiki wiki

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My initial thoughts. Thumbs down. Nor needed. Truth. Good luck, regardless.
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Re: Wiki wiki

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Sounds like a good idea OD...and a hell of a lot of work. Best of luck (thumbsup)
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Re: Wiki wiki

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I think most of you brought up some of the exact reasons it will be a success! !

We don't have a "FAQ" section. This will be much better than just a regular FAQ section in some sub-forum. It will be much easier to navigate, for starters.

And like people have said, posts have outdated info, like address, etc. If a restaurant owner were to come and notice that he couldn't even update it himself. The OP would have to do themselves or someone would have to get admin to do it.

With a Wiki-style format a number of people could update it. That's a huge plus for everyone!

And the content can be anything and everything you or I want on there. Expats will benefit from a Wiki that lists the most current and updated costs of visas, all in one place. Among other things of course.

And of course it will be a lot of work. I think the fact that we've put in so much work to create CEO so far shows we don't shy away from cool projects that require a lot of work.

It's a cool idea that will be awesome to have dedicated to Cambodia! !

Have some faith that we can all pull it off! We have all done great creating the CEO community thus far, and that was against all odds! Let's see what we can do with a Wikipedia for Cambodia!

Hope peeps are excited!
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Re: Wiki wiki

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So, back to the main point...

What subjects would YOU like to see on the CEO Wiki?

Remember, everyone has a say on any projects CEO take on, and with a Wiki you can REALLY get involved if you want.

So, what kind of stuff would you be glad to see on there?
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