Why I think the official procedure to marry a Cambodian is a scam

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Re: Why I think the official procedure to marry a Cambodian is a scam

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dnegel22 wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2019 8:11 pm
Process

We are using consultant to arrange this and handle as much as possible. Agreed fee was 1650$ for everything except visit to her Sangkat.
Im going to chime in on this bit, as my and my soon to be wife have our documents at her Sangkat, who is now preparing our marriage certificate. If anything in the process is a scam, its the fixers.

We paid at most $1100 - instead of a fixer outside of the process, it was a guy at the MoFA where we paid about 450$ for the MoFA step and $750 for the MoI step. He fastracked it, got our medicial certificates we hadnt had a chance to do and we had everything ready to go to the Sangkat within 2 months.

The "new" birth certificate is bs. My fiancee had a new certificate where she had fixed the spelling of her name, and a brand new carnet de residence as her family book was incorrect too. We had no problems with this.

You need to be prepared, with recent documents and ready to run around riverside and Chbar Ampov to get it done. If youre super prepared, why use the tea money. If you need it fast, pay up. Dont bother with independent fixers, as they screw you for as much as they can. The guide works, but people are unprepared and trust fixers who dont have a clue.
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Re: Why I think the official procedure to marry a Cambodian is a scam

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Nothing matters here, except money. That applies as equally to foreigners as it does Khmers. And it applies to every stage of life, be it education, getting a qualification, getting a good job, marrying the right girl, raising a family, buying a house, putting your children back into education etc and the cycle continues....

Every single stage of that is made a hell of a lot easier with money, and knowing the right people to hand that money to. That includes foreigners marrying Khmer girls. It covers the entire gamit my friend.

Cambodia is no more nor less complicated than that. In every, single regard.

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Re: Why I think the official procedure to marry a Cambodian is a scam

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nathaniel.killick wrote: Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:17 pm
dnegel22 wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2019 8:11 pm
Process

We are using consultant to arrange this and handle as much as possible. Agreed fee was 1650$ for everything except visit to her Sangkat.
Im going to chime in on this bit, as my and my soon to be wife have our documents at her Sangkat, who is now preparing our marriage certificate. If anything in the process is a scam, its the fixers.

We paid at most $1100 - instead of a fixer outside of the process, it was a guy at the MoFA where we paid about 450$ for the MoFA step and $750 for the MoI step. He fastracked it, got our medicial certificates we hadnt had a chance to do and we had everything ready to go to the Sangkat within 2 months.

The "new" birth certificate is bs. My fiancee had a new certificate where she had fixed the spelling of her name, and a brand new carnet de residence as her family book was incorrect too. We had no problems with this.

You need to be prepared, with recent documents and ready to run around riverside and Chbar Ampov to get it done. If youre super prepared, why use the tea money. If you need it fast, pay up. Dont bother with independent fixers, as they screw you for as much as they can. The guide works, but people are unprepared and trust fixers who dont have a clue.
Hey, thanks for your reply

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For those who speak about Denmark ---> Understand, we lived in Thailand and applied shengen visa from there 2 times and got rejected. Marriage in shengen country is not option.

I think that the consultant is doing business with somebody in the office. I had no option to try this without consultant, I was pressured by my GF and her sister who lives in Italy now and has gone throught same process.

Currently my documents are at General department of Immigration, I was told to to wait 4-5 weeks, it was (15.1.2020) I put the documents in, so about 4 weeks now.


Could you please inform me how things went in Sangkat and how long it took there? Also was it mandatory for you to be there?

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:dm: Vs :dragonchase:
From my observations 90 - 95 % of these marriages , Older western male to younger Khmer female ,do not last more than 2 years . The males subsequently get ripped- off to the tune of thousands of $$$$,and bitterly regret getting ( officially ,legally married ..
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Re: Why I think the official procedure to marry a Cambodian is a scam

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Just wondering ...

Is it because of the constant pressure the poor female gets from the family, relatives, villagers, to throw away their love and just screw him over?

May be just due to environment that the marriages fail?
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I am going through the marriage procedure in Laos.

I have decided to do it by the book with a reputable company rather than some 'mates mates mrs's cousin what works for the cops' and it will be costing me $2700 plus some bribes along the way plus another $500 as my wife to be is pregnant. A total scam. The main reason I am doing it is so when the boy is born I can get him a UK passport which, while I almost certainly will never live in that shithole again, its a good passport to have. It takes a year to two years to get the certificate and there are many many different stages of the process.

I wont be having a wedding, cant stand them myself, and I believe I am meant to pay the wives family a dowry but that wont be happening either or if it does it will be a long time down the road as I don't have the money. I have already paid her family about $1000 in hospital treatment as her 3 year old nephew has cancer - but of course in there eyes it wont count for shit.
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Re: Why I think the official procedure to marry a Cambodian is a scam

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Why do they seem to fuck u over so much in the poorest countries in SE asia.
Marrying in Thailand takes a few days, a few translations, visit to 2 offices, excluding the party, less than $100.
From my observations 90 - 95 % of these marriages , Older western male to younger Khmer female ,do not last more than 2 years
any stats to back that up? Of all the people i know that have married here ( average age dif 15 years) only 1 out of a dozen ended in divorce

Although not married to my current Khmer gf, still going very well after 10 years
Maybe thats the secret with khmers, just live together LOL
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Re: Why I think the official procedure to marry a Cambodian is a scam

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The entire marriage certificate process is extremely difficult to have patience. I can understand how many people are not able to complete this process.

A lot of useful information on this site, but the procedure and locations have changed recently.

Enough discussion about marriages and cultural indifference on here in other topics already.

Patience and time. Coming here on a one month vacation thinking all of this can be taken care of is almost impossible.

I highly suggest getting ALL of your required sealed and certified documents from your home country before coming here. Using Certified mail adds much time and costs.

I have experience dealing with this entire procedure. Please send me a PM if youd like - dont mind giving advice for many people helped me before. Thanks Kiwi-PSD for posting info about this many years ago. Although some things have changed, your information is still very HELPFUL.

As seen throughout CEO news updates, it is imperative to have ALL your marriage documents in order, or the police may intervene in the ceremony.
Its best to get ALL the paperwork and plan the party after all documents are obtained.

Getting upset over the situation and complaining wont help

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The Goat wrote:
As seen throughout CEO news updates, it is imperative to have ALL your marriage documents in order, or the police may intervene in the ceremony.
Its best to get ALL the paperwork and plan the party after all documents are obtained.

Getting upset over the situation and complaining wont help

Cheers
The above might be misleading. You need to provide all kinds of documents if you want to get married, but at the end of the day the Ministry of Interior will provide a ‘permission to get married’ with a 3 month validity. With that document you can get legally married and have all the parties you wan want.
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Re: Why I think the official procedure to marry a Cambodian is a scam

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Khmu Nation wrote:I am going through the marriage procedure in Laos.

I have decided to do it by the book with a reputable company rather than some 'mates mates mrs's cousin what works for the cops' and it will be costing me $2700 plus some bribes along the way plus another $500 as my wife to be is pregnant. A total scam. The main reason I am doing it is so when the boy is born I can get him a UK passport which, while I almost certainly will never live in that shithole again, its a good passport to have. It takes a year to two years to get the certificate and there are many many different stages of the process.

I wont be having a wedding, cant stand them myself, and I believe I am meant to pay the wives family a dowry but that wont be happening either or if it does it will be a long time down the road as I don't have the money. I have already paid her family about $1000 in hospital treatment as her 3 year old nephew has cancer - but of course in there eyes it wont count for shit.
Why do you have to be married? A foreigner's name can't be on the birth certificate?
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