SternAAlbifrons wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:27 am

Khmu Nation wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:25 am I have considered gofundme and then sending the link to my mates back home but it goes against my personal ethics as I strongly believe in libertarian values and self responsibility. So I don't think I can go cap in hand. But I am considering it.

Khmu, i really (really) respect your feeling on this.
but as Phnom Poon says
"the very definition of 'society' and 'civilization' is that we care for one another".

Sometimes our set philosophies just do not cut it.
In this case, this is where Libertarianism fall down badly. helping others.
It is no shame nor sin nor anything to ask for help - it is simply humanity and humbleness.

For a bleeding-heart do-gooder like me, the crunch would probably be when the time comes to accept inevitability and realise that no more can be done. My natural inclination would be to be foolish rather than wise.
I feel for you Bro'. Lots of us do.

Kinda agree @Khmu Nation. Unless your decision is to end whatever support you have offered so far, I'd be inclined to give it one last go with a wider community. I think the sentiment expressed by many members so far has been one where they would like to try and help. I hate the saying, but there is a gift-horse waiting to talk to you, and you should never stare it in the mouth. Let those of us who want to help try to help. It might not be much, and it might not make an inevitable difference, but the very least we can do is to collectively try. This is a kid we are talking about. Come on man, set it up and let the wonder of the web hopefully give the little mite a chance. Between us all, I'm sure we can help spread it further and wider, and maybe make a difference. If it doesn't work, use any surplus to help a proper, notable charity in Cambodia make a difference, in the name of the kid!!!

You should not jeopardize the future of your own child by spending all of your money on this awful tragedy.
Set up the go fund me...
It is the best option at this point.
You are not going hat in hand.
You are just doing the right thing at this point and time.


my wife put up her land to borrow money for morphine for her cancer riddled father... borrowed more from a brother and paid for his funeral.
I have given her $100/month for almost 3 years to pay this off. June is the final installment.
She was under so much pressure after taking care of him for months at the hospital bathing and feeding and finally buying morphine.

I’ll give something when you get it set up.

Thanks for your suggestions. I will loom into gofundme at work tomorrow.

Cheers

yongchi wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:30 pm

SternAAlbifrons wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:27 am

Khmu Nation wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:25 am I have considered gofundme and then sending the link to my mates back home but it goes against my personal ethics as I strongly believe in libertarian values and self responsibility. So I don't think I can go cap in hand. But I am considering it.

Khmu, i really (really) respect your feeling on this.
but as Phnom Poon says
"the very definition of 'society' and 'civilization' is that we care for one another".

Sometimes our set philosophies just do not cut it.
In this case, this is where Libertarianism fall down badly. helping others.
It is no shame nor sin nor anything to ask for help - it is simply humanity and humbleness.

For a bleeding-heart do-gooder like me, the crunch would probably be when the time comes to accept inevitability and realise that no more can be done. My natural inclination would be to be foolish rather than wise.
I feel for you Bro'. Lots of us do.

Bolded by me. Thank you very much, this really resonates with me.

@Khmu Nation Self-responsibility ends at a kid getting a serious illness like this. I'm with Stern and Yong, there is nothing wrong with asking for help. I'm sure you are already realising that, right now, your ethics (whilst grand) need to be left to one side., for the sake of your nephew. I'm delighted that you decided to listen to other's thoughts, and we all hope we can get him the help that he so desperately needs. Keep on trucking, and please let us now how both the fundraising and Kantana's treatment goes. Best wishes pal!!!

I asked my wife how much is needed to further his treatment in Laos and that is what she said - well she said around $5000, she is a nurse so I assume this is correct. It would be about $30,000 in Thailand. The hospital he is in is pretty basic but they do treat child cancer there.

I will spend some more of my own money on the boy so I thought I would put up $4000 and see what happens. I was hoping for about $1500 but it has exceeded that. The result has been extremely positive. I am very grateful to all who have donated.

phuketrichard wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:48 pm

on a side note; did u do ur due diligence on justgiving?

No I didn't but pretty much all big charity foundations have extremely well paid ceo types, that's the way it is. To be honest I am only interested in getting money for the boy. The ethical issues of how much staff earn, what % are wasted on staff expenses, etc, are of little concern to me at this point in time.