What do the stranded barangs do?

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Re: What do the stranded barangs do?

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I'm fine for now. If the security situation gets too rough I might think about flying the kid abroad for a bit but I'll stick it out for longer.
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Re: What do the stranded barangs do?

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Yerg wrote: Sat Mar 21, 2020 1:37 am
The beauty of the Khmer lifestyle is that, despite the obvious struggles, they leave no man or woman behind.
This is nonsense. Have you never seen what happens after an injury-causing traffic accident in Cambodia? The at-fault driver flees, leaving the injured victim lying in the road.

Then someone walks up to the victim and steals his phone.

Then the ambulance shows up, and if the victim appears to be dying, the ambulance refuses to help him and leaves.

If the ambulance does take the victim to the hospital, the doctors will refuse to perform necessary urgent surgery unless cash is paid up front.
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Re: What do the stranded barangs do?

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Sweet Lemon wrote: Sat Mar 21, 2020 2:46 am
Yerg wrote: Sat Mar 21, 2020 1:37 am
The beauty of the Khmer lifestyle is that, despite the obvious struggles, they leave no man or woman behind.
This is nonsense. Have you never seen what happens after an injury-causing traffic accident in Cambodia? The at-fault driver flees, leaving the injured victim lying in the road.

Then someone walks up to the victim and steals his phone.

Then the ambulance shows up, and if the victim appears to be dying, the ambulance refuses to help him and leaves.

If the ambulance does take the victim to the hospital, the doctors will refuse to perform necessary urgent surgery unless cash is paid up front.
I think that what you say is nonsense, and from a perspective of one that has never really experienced life "on the ground". I'll give you a few examples:-

1. After witnessing a T-bone accident on Monivong, I jumped out of my tuk-tuk and administered emergency first aid to the poor lad who had been knocked from his bike. By an at fault driver. I took the keys from the guy and refused to let him leave. He offered the injured party $200 to let him leave. I told the guy to do one. We waited for the police and ambulance to arrive. The driver eventually paid the victim all his medical costs. [And I'm still in contact and friends with the guy who had his arm and leg broken]

2. I presented (no medical insurance) to a hospital at about 3am with a monster fever and clear signs of an illness. They took care of me and made sure I was okay, despite having no medical insurance. I was very sick. Turned out I had gastroentiritis. $1100 later I was fine, but they had no idea whether or not I had the money. I just told them I did.

3. The stealing, I'm going to give you that, because it is not unique to Cambodia.

My summary is thus. You don't like Cambodia. You think it is a hell of a place to live and one of two things are pertinent. Either you don't live there, or you do and wish you didn't.

My advice. If you're there, leave. Becasue KoW will never make you happy. if you're not, shut the fuck up and stop making Cambodia out to be such a bad place. Because it really isn't.
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Re: What do the stranded barangs do?

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Yerg wrote: Sat Mar 21, 2020 3:12 am
1. After witnessing a T-bone accident on Monivong, I jumped out of my tuk-tuk and administered emergency first aid to the poor lad who had been knocked from his bike. By an at fault driver. I took the keys from the guy and refused to let him leave. He offered the injured party $200 to let him leave. I told the guy to do one. We waited for the police and ambulance to arrive. The driver eventually paid the victim all his medical costs. [And I'm still in contact and friends with the guy who had his arm and leg broken]

If you believe "Khmers leave no one behind", why did you take the guy's keys and force him to stay and take responsibility for the accident he caused?

Also, how does the guy trying to get away by paying $200 for breaking someone else's bones support the argument that "Khmers leave no one behind"??

Yerg wrote: Sat Mar 21, 2020 3:12 am 2. $1100 later I was fine, but they had no idea whether or not I had the money. I just told them I did.
Do you by any chance have white skin? If so, that's how they knew you could probably come up with $1100. There are many, many stories of hospitals in Cambodia refusing emergency service to both expats and locals until money is paid. The fact that you got medical treatment without paying upfront does not change that.

I just reject the notion that Cambodians are more magnanimous or charitable or selfless or concerned about their fellow man than people from Western countries are. This doesn't mean I hate Cambodia. I just don't put Cambodians on a pedestal of moral superiority or view them as noble savages.
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Re: What do the stranded barangs do?

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Sweet Lemon wrote: Sat Mar 21, 2020 3:42 am
Yerg wrote: Sat Mar 21, 2020 3:12 am
1. After witnessing a T-bone accident on Monivong, I jumped out of my tuk-tuk and administered emergency first aid to the poor lad who had been knocked from his bike. By an at fault driver. I took the keys from the guy and refused to let him leave. He offered the injured party $200 to let him leave. I told the guy to do one. We waited for the police and ambulance to arrive. The driver eventually paid the victim all his medical costs. [And I'm still in contact and friends with the guy who had his arm and leg broken]

If you believe "Khmers leave no one behind", why did you take the guy's keys and force him to stay and take responsibility for the accident he caused?

Also, how does the guy trying to get away by paying $200 for breaking someone else's bones support the argument that "Khmers leave no one behind"??

Yerg wrote: Sat Mar 21, 2020 3:12 am 2. $1100 later I was fine, but they had no idea whether or not I had the money. I just told them I did.
Do you by any chance have white skin? If so, that's how they knew you could probably come up with $1100. There are many, many stories of hospitals in Cambodia refusing emergency service to both expats and locals until money is paid. The fact that you got medical treatment without paying upfront does not change that.

I just reject the notion that Cambodians are more magnanimous or charitable or selfless or concerned about their fellow man than people from Western countries are. This doesn't mean I hate Cambodia. I just don't put Cambodians on some silly pedestal of moral superiority.
No, I don't have white skin. I'm often mistaken for an Arab. Perhaps I was fortunate to be sick in the only altruistic hospital in all of Cambodia. I doubt it.

When the guy offered $200, I knew he was the kind of guy that doesn't value life. So I chose to do the right thing. So sue me. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say "proper Khmers" leave no one behind. Not the privileged few who think a few hundred dollars equate to human suffering. Another legacy of the KR regime.

You can pick holes and twist my words in whichever way you choose, to suit whatever argument you wish to make. You remain someone who I think has underlying issues with Khmer lifestyles and MO's, that I have little time for.

They are not on a pedestal for me. I don't even live there for goodness sake, that much is obvious. I highly doubt that I would receive the familial acceptance in the UK that I received in Cambodia, or the support that I was unwaveringly offered when the shit hit the fan.
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No money, no honey,
No beer ,no friends
When your stranded and out of money your on your own sadly
I'm standing up, so I must be straight.
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atst wrote: Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:30 am No money, no honey,
No beer ,no friends
When your stranded and out of money your on your own sadly

That's the time you reach out to God .
Cambodia,,,, Don't fall in love with her.
Like the spoilt child she is, she will not be happy till she destroys herself from within and breaks your heart.
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Yerg wrote: Sat Mar 21, 2020 3:52 am
Sweet Lemon wrote: Sat Mar 21, 2020 3:42 am
Yerg wrote: Sat Mar 21, 2020 3:12 am
1. After witnessing a T-bone accident on Monivong, I jumped out of my tuk-tuk and administered emergency first aid to the poor lad who had been knocked from his bike. By an at fault driver. I took the keys from the guy and refused to let him leave. He offered the injured party $200 to let him leave. I told the guy to do one. We waited for the police and ambulance to arrive. The driver eventually paid the victim all his medical costs. [And I'm still in contact and friends with the guy who had his arm and leg broken]

If you believe "Khmers leave no one behind", why did you take the guy's keys and force him to stay and take responsibility for the accident he caused?

Also, how does the guy trying to get away by paying $200 for breaking someone else's bones support the argument that "Khmers leave no one behind"??

Yerg wrote: Sat Mar 21, 2020 3:12 am 2. $1100 later I was fine, but they had no idea whether or not I had the money. I just told them I did.
Do you by any chance have white skin? If so, that's how they knew you could probably come up with $1100. There are many, many stories of hospitals in Cambodia refusing emergency service to both expats and locals until money is paid. The fact that you got medical treatment without paying upfront does not change that.

I just reject the notion that Cambodians are more magnanimous or charitable or selfless or concerned about their fellow man than people from Western countries are. This doesn't mean I hate Cambodia. I just don't put Cambodians on some silly pedestal of moral superiority.
No, I don't have white skin. I'm often mistaken for an Arab. Perhaps I was fortunate to be sick in the only altruistic hospital in all of Cambodia. I doubt it.

When the guy offered $200, I knew he was the kind of guy that doesn't value life. So I chose to do the right thing. So sue me. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say "proper Khmers" leave no one behind. Not the privileged few who think a few hundred dollars equate to human suffering. Another legacy of the KR regime.

You can pick holes and twist my words in whichever way you choose, to suit whatever argument you wish to make. You remain someone who I think has underlying issues with Khmer lifestyles and MO's, that I have little time for.

They are not on a pedestal for me. I don't even live there for goodness sake, that much is obvious. I highly doubt that I would receive the familial acceptance in the UK that I received in Cambodia, or the support that I was unwaveringly offered when the shit hit the fan.
Your case seems to be:

1. You being a hero - but it doesn't add up because you are foreign not Khmer.

2. You got medical treatment before payment also because you are foreign.

3. Some emotional stuff about being accepted by your in-law family.

To be honest you have been eviscerated here by Sweet Lemon and are flailing, your arguments range from tenuous to utter nonsense. You have to know when to stop digging mate.
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My experience is much closer aligned with Yergs than with those who only see bad in Khmers.
I reckon you get in life pretty much what you go looking for, so both sides are probably right.
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Terry Fishsauce wrote: Sat Mar 21, 2020 5:01 am
Yerg wrote: Sat Mar 21, 2020 3:52 am
Sweet Lemon wrote: Sat Mar 21, 2020 3:42 am
Yerg wrote: Sat Mar 21, 2020 3:12 am
1. After witnessing a T-bone accident on Monivong, I jumped out of my tuk-tuk and administered emergency first aid to the poor lad who had been knocked from his bike. By an at fault driver. I took the keys from the guy and refused to let him leave. He offered the injured party $200 to let him leave. I told the guy to do one. We waited for the police and ambulance to arrive. The driver eventually paid the victim all his medical costs. [And I'm still in contact and friends with the guy who had his arm and leg broken]

If you believe "Khmers leave no one behind", why did you take the guy's keys and force him to stay and take responsibility for the accident he caused?

Also, how does the guy trying to get away by paying $200 for breaking someone else's bones support the argument that "Khmers leave no one behind"??

Yerg wrote: Sat Mar 21, 2020 3:12 am 2. $1100 later I was fine, but they had no idea whether or not I had the money. I just told them I did.
Do you by any chance have white skin? If so, that's how they knew you could probably come up with $1100. There are many, many stories of hospitals in Cambodia refusing emergency service to both expats and locals until money is paid. The fact that you got medical treatment without paying upfront does not change that.

I just reject the notion that Cambodians are more magnanimous or charitable or selfless or concerned about their fellow man than people from Western countries are. This doesn't mean I hate Cambodia. I just don't put Cambodians on some silly pedestal of moral superiority.
No, I don't have white skin. I'm often mistaken for an Arab. Perhaps I was fortunate to be sick in the only altruistic hospital in all of Cambodia. I doubt it.

When the guy offered $200, I knew he was the kind of guy that doesn't value life. So I chose to do the right thing. So sue me. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say "proper Khmers" leave no one behind. Not the privileged few who think a few hundred dollars equate to human suffering. Another legacy of the KR regime.

You can pick holes and twist my words in whichever way you choose, to suit whatever argument you wish to make. You remain someone who I think has underlying issues with Khmer lifestyles and MO's, that I have little time for.

They are not on a pedestal for me. I don't even live there for goodness sake, that much is obvious. I highly doubt that I would receive the familial acceptance in the UK that I received in Cambodia, or the support that I was unwaveringly offered when the shit hit the fan.
Your case seems to be:

1. You being a hero - but it doesn't add up because you are foreign not Khmer.

2. You got medical treatment before payment also because you are foreign.

3. Some emotional stuff about being accepted by your in-law family.

To be honest you have been eviscerated here by Sweet Lemon and are flailing, your arguments range from tenuous to utter nonsense. You have to know when to stop digging mate.
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