What to expect when getting engaged in Cambodia

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Re: What to expect when getting engaged in Cambodia

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Tarndog wrote:
newkidontheblock wrote: Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:25 am Okhna families have silly crazy money. Like rolls of $10,000 USD bills and gold, silver, and diamonds.
I'm curious, what does a 10,000 USD bill look like??
$100 USD bills bundle all rolled up. Each roll is $10,000 (aka rolls of 100 bills each). And a lot of rolls flashed for the engagement.

I had zero rolls for my engagement. Of course, I am not an okhna, either.
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khmerhamster wrote: Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:19 pm Are there any docs to run or permissions to get for an engagement?
I thought only required for a wedding...
You need to obtain authorisation from the Sangkat to hold any large gatherings, this includes a payment for the local police to provide "security and traffic control".

No documents or other formal procedures required.

The one thing to be sure if though, is that it is indeed an engagement ceremony, and the family aren't telling friends and family that it is a wedding because there is a risk it will be shut down by the authorities as we have seen happen numerous times.
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thanks - this is good advice for anyone -
Kammekor wrote: Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:09 pm
newkidontheblock wrote: Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:43 am As the only foreigner in the family, I was expected to give good face to the family.

Anyways, your better half will guide you along.

Good luck and enjoy your special day.
I disagree with that one. Be careful not to raise unrealistic expectations with your family in law. Supporting your own family will cost you if you want to offer them a more or less convenient life and supporting your whole family in law, even if it’s just some support, can be quite a burden. And not just financially.

No need to be the cheapest Charly in town, but also no need to pretend you’re the millionaire with unlimited funds saving the village.

Make small gestures, not big ones, and use your own common sense beside your fiancée’s advise. She’s trapped in her culture, and even though you marry a Cambodian that doesn’t mean your culture doesn’t matter amymore. So use the big head too.
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Tarndog wrote: Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:21 am
newkidontheblock wrote: Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:25 am Okhna families have silly crazy money. Like rolls of $10,000 USD bills and gold, silver, and diamonds.
I'm curious, what does a 10,000 USD bill look like??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:10000-1f.jpg
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she got her masters at UA in Canberra so we can can speak to each other.
daeum_tnaot wrote: Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:53 am
fred_stone wrote: Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:29 am
daeum_tnaot wrote: Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:05 am The legal aspect or the social aspect?
More of the social aspect. I dont think theres much on the legal side. Its not a marrage. I was told that she will change her dress 3 to 5 times. Im just kinda in the dark about what i do. I was told that i can rent my outfit.
Apparently there are some minor legal aspects, which are actually more like navigating the social environment related to law enforcement.

There have been a few reports on here of the police actually busting up engagement ceremonies. The consensus response was that you should inform the local police of your ceremony and make sure they are "happy".

From the social side, can't your fiance tell you what to expect? I hope you can both speak the same language. In any case, I'm sure everyone will be very nice to you, you will rarely be made to feel out of place or that you did something wrong. I wouldn't worry about it.
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fred_stone wrote: Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:33 am she got her masters at UA in Canberra so we can can speak to each other.
daeum_tnaot wrote: Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:53 am
fred_stone wrote: Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:29 am
daeum_tnaot wrote: Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:05 am The legal aspect or the social aspect?
More of the social aspect. I dont think theres much on the legal side. Its not a marrage. I was told that she will change her dress 3 to 5 times. Im just kinda in the dark about what i do. I was told that i can rent my outfit.
Apparently there are some minor legal aspects, which are actually more like navigating the social environment related to law enforcement.

There have been a few reports on here of the police actually busting up engagement ceremonies. The consensus response was that you should inform the local police of your ceremony and make sure they are "happy".

From the social side, can't your fiance tell you what to expect? I hope you can both speak the same language. In any case, I'm sure everyone will be very nice to you, you will rarely be made to feel out of place or that you did something wrong. I wouldn't worry about it.
OK, cool. A well educated person is much better. So she can probably walk you through everything. As I said, knowing Khmer people they will probably be very nice to you, overlook any minor faux pas's, and generally you will have a good experience. But the 'tlai tuk doh' is probably the most contentious issue that needs to be dealt with, long before your engagement ceremony.
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The wedding ceremony will be done easily but to obtain the wedding certificate and justification would involve quite a hefty sum of under table money to expedite approval...
Everything is manual and paper-work, nothing computerized...
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ssian wrote: Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:52 am The wedding ceremony will be done easily but to obtain the wedding certificate and justification would involve quite a hefty sum of under table money to expedite approval...
Everything is manual and paper-work, nothing computerized...
In current Corona / travel free times obtaining the permission to get married is virtually impossible because it involves collecting and legalizing quite a few documents, and after those are legalized the documents have a three month validity only. Add to that a lengthy procedure in Cambodia and you’re heading for disaster during this time.
When things ease up count on a 1-2 month procedure and 500-1500 usd costs depending on how generous your government is with legalization. Add to that travels to Cambodia and obtaining the required documents.
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ssian wrote: Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:52 am The wedding ceremony will be done easily but to obtain the wedding certificate and justification would involve quite a hefty sum of under table money to expedite approval...
Everything is manual and paper-work, nothing computerized...
The OP is asking about an engagement ceremony, not a wedding.
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daeum_tnaot wrote: Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:19 pm
ssian wrote: Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:52 am The wedding ceremony will be done easily but to obtain the wedding certificate and justification would involve quite a hefty sum of under table money to expedite approval...
Everything is manual and paper-work, nothing computerized...
The OP is asking about an engagement ceremony, not a wedding.
The local authorities are pretty well on the ball, I can imagine having an official engagement ceremony will be a problem if no preparations towards getting a permission to marry have been made.
It’s not 2001 anymore.
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