Birmingham, Alabama is no paradise either, OD.

vladimir wrote:Birmingham, Alabama is no paradise either, OD.

it has it's upsides...

Travel agent recommendation, anyone?

I thought you were talking about Birmingham, Alabama ?

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015 ... father-gun
Florida toddler fatally shoots himself with father's gun while parents load car

Two-year-old Kaleb Ahles reportedly lifted gun from glove compartment in car and turned it so that it faced his chest and squeezed the trigger



Kaleb Ahles The toddler ‘probably barely got the trigger pulled’, said Sheriff Bob Gualtieri. He described the .380-caliber handgun as a lightweight weapon usually carried in a pocket or on a hip. Photograph: Facebook via WTSP in Tampa

A two-year-old Florida boy died on Wednesday after accidentally shooting himself with his father’s .380 caliber handgun that he found in the family car.

The toddler, Kaleb Ahles, climbed into the front seat of the family’s vehicle while his parents carried boxes to move out of their home in Tarpon Springs, located about 30 miles north-west of Tampa.

Kaleb, alone in the car, crawled across the seat and found the gun that was stored in the glove compartment, sheriff Bob Gualtieri of the Pinellas County sheriff’s office said during a Wednesday evening press conference.

Kaleb then grabbed the gun, turned the barrel toward his chest, and squeezed the trigger, Gualtieri said.

His parents heard a loud “pop” and ran toward the car, deputies said. His mother, Christina Nigro, immediately began CPR while another family member who was there to help with the move called 911.

“It’s just one of those things that happens where everything lined up the wrong way, where we had a two-and-a-half year old that was able to take a gun, pick it up turn it around and he shot himself dead center in the middle of the chest,” Gualtieri said.

Deputies arrived at the home just before 5pm on Wednesday, and an ambulance rushed Kaleb to a nearby hospital,

At a press conference held in the family’s neighborhood, Gualtieri confirmed that the toddler had shot himself, and was not shot by someone else, the Miami Herald reported.

“He probably barely got the trigger pulled,” Gualtieri said.

The sheriff said it appears there was no wrongdoing, and the parents are not facing charges, saying that the parents have been punished enough by the loss of their son.

“It appears to be another tragic situation,” Gualtieri said. “It’s just one of those things that happens where everything happens the wrong way.”

Florida law requires gun owners to secure their loaded firearm in the presence of children younger than 16 years old. However, a person can only be held criminally liable if the minor accesses a gun and exhibits it in a public place, or brandishes it in a threatening or angry manner.

Detectives said the gun was secured in the glove department of the car.

Cecilia Barreda, a spokeswoman with the Pinellas County sheriff’s office, confirmed on Thursday that detectives were still investigating the incident, and the parents are, as of now, not facing charges.

The detectives “do believe the gun was stored properly,” Barreda said. She said additional details about the incident could not be provided at this time.

The child’s grandfather, a retired Tampa police detective also named Kevin Ahles, apparently drove to the scene immediately after learning of his grandson’s death.

“A great little kid was killed today,” he told the Miami Herald. “That’s all there is to say.”

Do we need updates on every time any person in the US gets harmed with a gun? Why the hell do the rest of you give a shit? Go obsess about gun deaths in other places.

OrangeDragon wrote:

Sailorman wrote:I don't see any other followers of any religion, beheading people, kidnaping/raping children, killing innocent people, bombing innocent people, and trying to enforce archaic laws on people's countries that have taken them in when they fled countries where islamofascists are beheading people, kidnaping/raping children, killing innocent people, bombing innocent people all in the name of some warlord centuries ago that started a book that states you will kill all non believers.

Really? Never met any of these guys?



Because they do, well... pretty much exactly all of that (substitute beheading with any other form of killing... like 'hangin dem darkies'). You know, good ole redneck boys, one and all.

Maybe these nice country redneck fellas then:


Nothing like hanging a 17 year old boy by his neck from a tree in his mamma's yard to start your weekend, amirite? I mean, according to KKK doctrine Jesus was the first Klansman and it's their duty to reestablish Christianity in the US of A by "any means necessary"... even if it's blowing up black churches full of kids to teach them a lesson!

Good ole country rednecks, yes sir... a damn fine thing to brag and be proud of. Tolerant to the last drop they are, with their lynchings, rapes, shootings, church bombings, attacks on foreign nations (the Concerned Christians group who were planning attacks on Jerusalem and thought their deaths in that process would get them into heaven... sound familiar?), attacks on abortion clinics... I'm sure George Tiller's family is relieved that he was murdered by good ole American country boys in the name of Jesus instead of some Arab in the name of Allah.

yawn.....yes their are stupid white people....but countries dont riot in their defense...no one is worried to call them ignorant cunts...and that if the follow a possible gay guy from 2000 years ago who was chilled out for the time Jesus every Christian can call them out and say Jesus would not do that....Mohamed on the other hand if alive would reward those ISIS fuckers and say god job....OD what do you really know about Islam?

Soi Dog wrote:Do we need updates on every time any person in the US gets harmed with a gun? Why the hell do the rest of you give a shit? Go obsess about gun deaths in other places.

it just that the thread touched on gun ownership in the US ....I was like hey that's not for me... that post was to back up my view.....cant ever remember this happening in the UK...

"An armed society is a polite society", I say.

http://news.yahoo.com/man-assaulted-by- ... 43501.html

General Chatter wrote:

Soi Dog wrote:Do we need updates on every time any person in the US gets harmed with a gun? Why the hell do the rest of you give a shit? Go obsess about gun deaths in other places.

it just that the thread touched on gun ownership in the US ....I was like hey that's not for me... that post was to back up my view.....cant ever remember this happening in the UK...

its more that some US people are so proud of their constitutional rights, about protecting their family and property, and standing up to government. then you see the reality, stories like this. didnt protect this kid did it? people being shot at traffic stops, metal detecters at school gates. this is freedom?

in practical terms, the right to bear arms is essential. there are simply too many guns out there, and too many armed criminals. so many people live in rural areas far from police help, and like to go hunting. i get that. i dont think you can ban guns in US, its too late for that and its against the culture too

But just stop going on about it as a badge of honor as if it upholds your freedoms. Then maybe we'll stop obsessing about it.

Gandhi was a revolutionary and all he had was a loincloth and a pair of spectacles