Tuol Sleng Guard Tells of Executions, Thwarted Rebellion
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Re: Tuol Sleng Guard Tells of Executions, Thwarted Rebellion
They were mainly in their late teens, I wouldn't call them children. Most were from the elite Division 703. After victory they expected some sort of improvement in their lives but were treated almost as badly as anyone else, a whole lot of them ended up incarcerated in S21 or on punishment duties farming at Prey Sar or in Boeng Tumpun where they raised livestock.willyhilly wrote:I think a lot of the guards were children weren't they?
There's an excellent book by DC CAM about the division: The Khmer Rouge Division 703 : from victory to self-destruction
Here's a link to the PDF: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/do ... 1&type=pdf
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Re: Tuol Sleng Guard Tells of Executions, Thwarted Rebellion
Museum photos of the horrific reality faced by S-21 prisoners during "interrogation". The spoilers are for the squeamish.
This one is worse.
And this one haunts me.
http://www.tuolsleng.com/detail.php?photosPage=106
Spoiler:
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http://www.tuolsleng.com/detail.php?photosPage=106
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Re: Tuol Sleng Guard Tells of Executions, Thwarted Rebellion
Quick answer LTO - just wrote a long post that I made disappear somehow; No I could not and would not torture anyone. But, I don't think that's because I was born a "good" person. I don't really believe that some people are innately evil. If I had been brought up to believe that torture was a normal way to behave, perhaps my mindset would be different. I honestly don't know.LTO wrote:But could you do that? Would your inner self allow it? Could you torture and kill children and innocent women? Honestly, personally, not philosophically, I don't think most men are capable of that, regardless of threat or precedent. Have I misjudged the real world, the hearts of men?Anchor Moy wrote:Of course I'd like to say I would NEVER do this. And as myself, right now, I hope I would refuse. But I admit I really really don't know. If you are an uneducated peasant in a culture which insists that you should always obey those who are in power, do you have the inner resources to resist the power structure ? Again, I'd love to say that I would be the exceptional being, but I can't be sure of that.Anchor Moy wrote:
I think most of us would have obeyed. They order you to kill someone or you will be killed, then once you've crossed that line, further resistance makes no sense.
Good luck to those of you who are sure that morality would win against survival. I'd like to believe this, but I doubt.
Re: Tuol Sleng Guard Tells of Executions, Thwarted Rebellion
I don't think anybody is brought up to believe the kinds of things that happened in S-21 or Auschwitz were normal.
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LTO wrote:I don't think anybody is brought up to believe the kinds of things that happened in S-21 or Auschwitz were normal.
more recent,
how about Guantanamo Bay?
Is mental torture worse or ... than physical torture?
obviously it would depend on if u require information or not
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Re: Tuol Sleng Guard Tells of Executions, Thwarted Rebellion
Is that the salient difference between Gitmo and Auschwitz?phuketrichard wrote:LTO wrote:I don't think anybody is brought up to believe the kinds of things that happened in S-21 or Auschwitz were normal.
more recent,
how about Guantanamo Bay?
Is mental torture worse or ... than physical torture?
obviously it would depend on if u require information or not
LTO Cambodia Blog
"Kafka is 'outdone' in our country, the new fatherland of Angkor" - Norodom Sihanouk
"Kafka is 'outdone' in our country, the new fatherland of Angkor" - Norodom Sihanouk
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Re: Tuol Sleng Guard Tells of Executions, Thwarted Rebellion
torture done by sadistic people who thought they were superior ( Nazi's & KR) & drs (Nazi's ) experimenting vs torture to gain info ( Gitmo)LTO wrote:Is that the salient difference between Gitmo and Auschwitz?phuketrichard wrote:LTO wrote:I don't think anybody is brought up to believe the kinds of things that happened in S-21 or Auschwitz were normal.
more recent,
how about Guantanamo Bay?
Is mental torture worse or ... than physical torture?
obviously it would depend on if u require information or not
In a nation run by swine, all pigs are upward-mobile and the rest of us are fucked until we can put our acts together: not necessarily to win, but mainly to keep from losing completely. HST
Re: Tuol Sleng Guard Tells of Executions, Thwarted Rebellion
So are you saying 'Yes, the salient difference between Auschwitz and Gitmo is the difference between physical and mental torture.'? If so, I disagree. Places like Auschwitz and S-21 are in a different category than Gitmo. If you like we can explore the other (more significant) differences, but I would think it should be obvious to most. If not, it doesn't really address my point that people aren't brought up to believe the kinds of things that happened in S-21 or Auschwitz were normal.phuketrichard wrote:torture done by sadistic people who thought they were superior ( Nazi's & KR) & drs (Nazi's ) experimenting vs torture to gain info ( Gitmo)LTO wrote:Is that the salient difference between Gitmo and Auschwitz?phuketrichard wrote:more recent,LTO wrote:I don't think anybody is brought up to believe the kinds of things that happened in S-21 or Auschwitz were normal.
how about Guantanamo Bay?
Is mental torture worse or ... than physical torture?
obviously it would depend on if u require information or not
LTO Cambodia Blog
"Kafka is 'outdone' in our country, the new fatherland of Angkor" - Norodom Sihanouk
"Kafka is 'outdone' in our country, the new fatherland of Angkor" - Norodom Sihanouk
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