Trying to Close Cambodia's Dog Meat Slaughterhouses

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Re: Trying to Close Cambodia's Dog Meat Slaughterhouses

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fax wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:01 pm
explorer wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:57 pm They should be encouraging everybody to become vegetarians.
Some people eat meat. Some people do not eat meat. If you learn how to speak Khmer and live in the province you can learn why some people like to eat meat.

Meat contains a lot of healthy protein. Some people don’t eat meat so they lack healthy protein. If you learn to speak better Khmer you can understand why. You can make friends with people who eat meat if you live in the province.
99.99% of Cambodians eat meat.

If you take the do gooders message and pursue it to the end. The end result is, they should be encouraging everybody to become vegetarians.
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explorer wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:10 pm 99.99% of Cambodians eat meat.

If you take the do gooders message and pursue it to the end. The end result is, they should be encouraging everybody to become vegetarians.
If you spend more time in the province you will see that not everybody of 99.99% eat meat. Some Cambodians do not eat meat. Maybe you don’t meet them because you are not living as close to Cambodians as you think.

There are many cultural differences between Cambodians and Westerners. One difference is how we view meat. I took a girl on my bicycle one time in the province, and she did not eat meat.

People in the city eat a lot of meat. People in the province are different than those in the city. Some people in the province do not eat meat only rice and other vegetables because they are Buddhist. If you study the Khmer language more you can learn to understand Buddhist values.
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fax wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:15 pm Some people in the province do not eat meat only rice and other vegetables because they are Buddhist. If you study the Khmer language more you can learn to understand Buddhist values.
How many Buddhists do you know that don't eat meat?
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explorer wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:20 pm How many Buddhists do you know that don't eat meat?
99.99% of my Buddhist friends do not eat meat. They learned from Buddha’s teachings that eating meat gives them bad karma, so they avoid it because they want to have good karma.
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fax wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:22 pm
explorer wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:20 pm How many Buddhists do you know that don't eat meat?
99.99% of my Buddhist friends do not eat meat. They learned from Buddha’s teachings that eating meat gives them bad karma, so they avoid it because they want to have good karma.
Are you drunk?

Almost all of my Buddhist friends eat meat.

There are a few people in Cambodia that don't eat meat. For example, there are Tao temples in Cambodia. People following the Tao religion have a vegetarian diet, and teach students to have a vegetarian diet. Most Cambodians who have a vegetarian diet while at the Tao temple, eat meat when they go back to their families.

There are Russian vegetarians in Cambodia, and Russian vegetarian restaurants. Also Ukrainian.

I have met a very small number of Cambodian vegetarians.
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Nicolas wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:53 pm
xandreu wrote:
explorer wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:12 pm Is slaughtering dogs worse then slaughtering other animals, like pigs or chickens?
I'd say so, yes. There's a unique bond between humans and dogs that doesn't exist in other animals. Although dogs are clearly animals as much as cows and pigs are, we don't generally keep cows and pigs as pets.

Eating a dog feels a bit too close to eating another human, emotionally speaking.
Where do you draw the line?
Just before dogs. Anything else really would seem hypocritical. But I don't think it's hypocritical to draw the line at dogs. There's an unspoken contract between people and dogs. When they decided to domesticate themselves (many people assume we domesticated them, but the evidence points towards them domesticating themselves) they turned their backs on living in the wild and devoted themselves to us. They'll work for us, protect us, entertain us, cheer us up when we're down, love us unconditionally, help us to live a normal life if we're blind, even detect when we've got cancer - and in return they just want us to take care of them.

Seems like a pretty sweet deal if you ask me. To break that contract just feels wrong on so many levels.
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Whilst I don’t eat dog I also don’t think anyone has the right to impose their values in a country that isn’t their own. Therefore I’m out.
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xandreu wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:59 pm

Just before dogs. Anything else really would seem hypocritical. But I don't think it's hypocritical to draw the line at dogs. There's an unspoken contract between people and dogs. When they decided to domesticate themselves (many people assume we domesticated them, but the evidence points towards them domesticating themselves) they turned their backs on living in the wild and devoted themselves to us. They'll work for us, protect us, entertain us, cheer us up when we're down, love us unconditionally, help us to live a normal life if we're blind, even detect when we've got cancer - and in return they just want us to take care of them.

Seems like a pretty sweet deal if you ask me. To break that contract just feels wrong on so many levels.
What an anthropomorphic crock.

They also chase us on motorbikes, bark all night, shit everywhere, hump anything that moves, bite people, kill toddlers and carry rabies.

Yes my cushy western upbringing in a house with dogs has allowed me to get to know them. But if I had only ever encountered them here I would think dogs are dirty, flea ridden ugly twats who are either fighting or fucking or barking at people.

This combined with genuine poverty and I would have no qualms eating one.
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Some people eat dog. Many people do not eat dog. If you learn how to speak Khmer you will understand why. I asked many people before if they ate dog and most said they didn't ever eat it. I used to chat with some soldiers near my house. They ate dog meat and offered me some. I didn't like the taste, they laughed and we all had fun drinking wine together. These soldiers speak only Khmer, if you want to drink with them you must speak Khmer or they will become angry and maybe chop you badly.
Some people are Buddhist and eat meat, but have forgone eating beef. If you know about Khmer culture you will understand that this stems from Ancient Brahmanist beliefs. There are still Brahmans in Cambodia who preside over traditional ceremonies. Monks are not allowed to refuse any alms or waste food, even if it contains meat. It is forbidden to kill an animal specifically for a monk to eat but donating food which just so happens to contain meat is fine. If you know about the Buddha's teaching and the Pali/ Sanskrit language you would know this. Most foreigners don't know this, if they spent some time to learn about the culture they would not be so ignorant. 8-)
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and you can bet your house they are americans
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