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Just a couple of points.Bubble T wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:06 pmI respectfully disagree with your assertion that the only difference between tax and bribes is what we call them. A few reasons:
- Lots of people are now paying their taxes here. Bribes are in addition to taxes, not instead of them.
- Corruption has disproportionate negative consequences for poor people, the very people that taxation is supposed to pay for safety nets to protect. If you're poor, paying taxes, and then still expected to pay the same bribes as rich people for basic services, you're getting shafted twice as hard.
- Taxes are set at transparent rates and if you don't like them, you can vote for someone who will change them.
- Where we come from, you can still use emergency services even if you aren't earning enough to pay tax. When bribes are required just to get a response from emergency services, the consequences can be terrible and unjust.
- Lots of people are now paying their taxes here.
And there are lots that don't
Bribes are in addition to taxes, not instead of them.
If they are not paying taxes then it cannot be an addition.
If you're poor, paying taxes,
If you are poor how much tax do you think they pay.
Like the spoilt child she is, she will not be happy till she destroys herself from within and breaks your heart.
In America it is called the revolving door.
It would make things go a lot smoother.
No. They are officially not supposed to be taking bribes, and officially not taking bribes. So there is no set price. They often just try to get as much as they can. The amount can be different at different places, and with different people.
I mentioned before, if someone videos people taking bribes, they lose their job, because they have exposed a secret that makes Cambodia look bad.
They think we don't know.
I always thought that the ‘revolving door’ meant government workers who retire and become ‘consultants’ of private corporations who have government contracts (ie, political influence).
Yet another reason I distrust big government providing more and more ‘services’. The overall heads can be voted out of office, but the legion of system workers remain. Big government’s job is to find any reason to get bigger. Small government takes less taxation from the people (and allows people to spend their money as they wish). I know that it is a tremendously unpopular view among some members, but it’s just something that we agree to disagree about.
But it could be worse. Did anyone read about the personal stories of police corruption by a Vietnamese woman living in America? The cops in Vietnam confiscated the family car only giving it back after the father treated the cops to food and drink and KTV for 2 nights, females detained for not giving the cops her phone number/ not calling them afterwards to go on dates, etc.
Again, sorry for the long winded posting.
As to Newkidontheblocks assertion corruption is the end result of big government, I would suggest reading "A study on the relationship between corruption and government size: the role of democracy" https://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/25015/
It's findings indicate " Using annual data from 82 countries from 1995 to 2008, the estimation results indicate that an increase in government size can lead to a decrease in corruption if democracy level is sufficiently high and, in contrast, can lead to an increase in corruption if it is too low." Corruption has far more to do with the level of democracy a nation enjoys than the size of the bureaucracy.
When I eventually asked about bribery, his brief answer was "It takes two".
I would have preferred a fuller discussion but the subject was closed.
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