The curfew imposed in many countries

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The curfew imposed in many countries

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Thailand is from today going into curfew it seems.
https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/curf ... he-details

More and more countries are imposing curfew, and I would like to understand the official narrative behind it, as by definition a night curfew reduces social distancing, by forcing everyone to conduct their essential movement in a smaller time frame increasing therefor the number of people in food stores and in banks etc..etc...at any given time.
In order to help social distancing one would think that forcing all food store to stay open 24/24 and encouraging people not to go out all during the same hours and rather try to conduct their essential movement when there is few people outside like at night would be the way to go.
All the "At Risk" people will now need to go to their 7/11 in the middle of the day, instead of safely going there when streets are empty at 2am. Non "At Risk" population that used to be night-timer will now also participate in increasing how crowded markets and streets will be during the day.

Anyone has any idea of the logic for laws that seems aimed at reducing social distancing in a time of a pandemic?
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That's what I do and was doing, I say this way because now we have one friend on her way home from work on a evening brings us any shopping or food we wish.
We used to go to the market at 11 to 12 on a evening and then on to the supermarket after that time, not many people around.
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404FreedomNotFound wrote: Fri Apr 03, 2020 3:45 pm Thailand is from today going into curfew it seems.
https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/curf ... he-details

More and more countries are imposing curfew, and I would like to understand the official narrative behind it, as by definition a night curfew reduces social distancing, by forcing everyone to conduct their essential movement in a smaller time frame increasing therefor the number of people in food stores and in banks etc..etc...at any given time.
In order to help social distancing one would think that forcing all food store to stay open 24/24 and encouraging people not to go out all during the same hours and rather try to conduct their essential movement when there is few people outside like at night would be the way to go.
All the "At Risk" people will now need to go to their 7/11 in the middle of the day, instead of safely going there when streets are empty at 2am. Non "At Risk" population that used to be night-timer will now also participate in increasing how crowded markets and streets will be during the day.

Anyone has any idea of the logic for laws that seems aimed at reducing social distancing in a time of a pandemic?
In many countries shops are not open at night. Where I am supermarkets close at from 8pm to 7 am. there are a small number of family shops that are open later, but generally they are so small you cannot stand more than 6 inches apart. A nightime curfew stops people making unnecessary journeys to socialise and unecessary trips on public transport. Shopping at night in places like thailand where there are literally hundreds of 7/11 , tesco lotus, family mart etcetera is a cultural thing, not a necessary thing.
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@pczz
That is my point exactly, the best way to increase social distancing, is to encourage people to live at night. If half the people live at night, social distancing is twice more efficient.
The country where you live should encourage shop to open 24/24 and for their population to live at night. If it's easier for you to imagine, guess they reduce the time during which supermarket are open to 1 hour a day, can you imagine how crowded it will become and how social distancing would be impacted? Spread it across the day and the night and you will reduce by two the number of people transport worker interact with during their shift.

In these time, Social distancing does not seem to be a cultural thing, it seems to be a necessity. And night curfew is the opposite if what is needed, spreading the activity across all 24 hours of the day seems smarter.

People can socialize in the day and sleep at night anyway if they want to ignore the law, imagine if everyone who initially socialized during the night, now sleep and start putting a strain on public transport during the day when they are the most crowded already.
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404, my experience in the UK is the same as pczz's. And we are having no trouble distancing socially as things stand without the need for curfews. (Granted, there are still some twats about who ignore advice, but hey-ho. They are the exceptions rather than the rule.)

Were we to extend the shopping to 24h, we would most likely only manage to pull the odd scrounger off a sofa as we would need to increase the workforces by at least 30'ish%. The existing employees are already working themselves to the bone. We need more delivery drivers, more lorries and trucks, so the logistics alone and staffing would cause numerous problems. It really isn't just as simple as "open up for 24 hours a day". We are not geared for that.
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Yerg wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:12 am 404, my experience in the UK is the same as pczz's. And we are having no trouble distancing socially as things stand without the need for curfews. (Granted, there are still some twats about who ignore advice, but hey-ho. They are the exceptions rather than the rule.)

Were we to extend the shopping to 24h, we would most likely only manage to pull the odd scrounger off a sofa as we would need to increase the workforces by at least 30'ish%. The existing employees are already working themselves to the bone. We need more delivery drivers, more lorries and trucks, so the logistics alone and staffing would cause numerous problems. It really isn't just as simple as "open up for 24 hours a day". We are not geared for that.
Hey that's a great way to create more jobs for the newly unemployed 24hour shopping is a win win 404 has a good argument against curfews although like most of his post a bit long winded
404 I've stopped reading your post , can you keep them to one paragraph and spend more time in your pool :bow:
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I get your point @Yerg, I guess my way of approaching the question was biased due to thinking of the subject after reading the newly imposed curfew in thailand. It could make a lot more sense in the UK indeed.

And yes @atst , I'm working on reducing the size of my post, I'm not at down to one paragraph yet, but slowly getting there. I agree that I killed readability on other threads.

I'm not doing too bad though on this thread, shorter post could lead this forum to have a twitter feel and mindset which might not be in it's best interest.
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Expanding to 24 hrs shops are a bad idea. Over here grocery stores have reduced hours and 24 hr places have stopped being 24 hrs to have to time to restock shelves. Even the military has been called up to help restock shelves. How does people restocking shelves, and bringing in goods at the same time when there are flood of shoppers in the store help social distancing? It doesn’t make sense to me.

The barflies and partiers least likely to follow social distancing and other rules usually come in late at night. Would they suddenly come in to drink and party at 7 am in the morning? Doubtful, it’s not in their nature. Unless someone (like 404 maybe?) personally paid each and every one of them a lot of money to do so.

Nothing good happens at 2 am in the morning. And the coravirus isn’t going to change that. That’s just my opinion.

Please be safe out there.
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newkidontheblock wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:29 am Expanding to 24 hrs shops are a bad idea. Over here grocery stores have reduced hours and 24 hr places have stopped being 24 hrs to have to time to restock shelves. Even the military has been called up to help restock shelves. How does people restocking shelves, and bringing in goods at the same time when there are flood of shoppers in the store help social distancing? It doesn’t make sense to me.

The barflies and partiers least likely to follow social distancing and other rules usually come in late at night. Would they suddenly come in to drink and party at 7 am in the morning? Doubtful, it’s not in their nature. Unless someone (like 404 maybe?) personally paid each and every one of them a lot of money to do so.

Nothing good happens at 2 am in the morning. And the coravirus isn’t going to change that. That’s just my opinion.

Please be safe out there.
Needless post to simply say "hear, hear"!!!!

Local supermarket used to open at 7am, now closed 7-8am and 1-2pm to allow staff to re-stock and maintain social distancing.
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I think certainly in Thailand anyway the imposition of a night time curfew may be partly a recognition of the gradual threat an increased level of crime the longer the general shutdown continues. 7-11's were quick to self impose a ceasing of night hours early on here.
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