charlie

xxxxxxx wrote: ↑Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:03 am

StroppyChops wrote: ↑Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:39 pm

Josh_76 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 07, 2018 2:54 am but every little bit helps/everyone can contribute something

That's like throwing a thimble of water at a house fire while another guy is spraying the house with gasoline from a fuel tanker, but okay, you contribute if it makes you feel good.

Then why bother doing anything ever for any cause you personally believe in? Why even try to reduce some poverty and lack of education for a few fortunate Cambodians when everyone else isn't doing that and millions of poor aren't being helped by anyone? All your good deeds are a figurative thimbleful of water thrown into a raging forest fire of need.

Be the change you want to see in the world, Josh_76. Do what you can and lead by example and others may even choose to follow. Or they may not. But that's about all an individual can do in this world. And yeah, it can feel good too.

i find sc comments very odd considering his social enterprise. why does he bother when the government doesnt?

very strange comments

StroppyChops wrote: ↑Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:39 pm

Josh_76 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 07, 2018 2:54 am Literally nobody claimed that banning plastic straws would "matter much"

Google "ban straws" - literally a lot of people are claiming that. Are you sure you understand how the word 'literally' is used?

Yep. When I was in India the visibility was about 3 meters. Nearly as bad as China. Both from dirty coal. I'm so very glad that outlawing straws in western countries will help fix that.
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I think the point of disagreement here is "much". And also in which pollution category. I doubt anyone has claimed it will change CO2 levels, which you for some reason keep saying that's what they are is saying.

Surely the point of emptying your thimble of water on the flames is not to extinguish the fire, but to ignite similar action in the gawking crowd.
Disposable straws are an easy symbolic win.
Plastic packaging in general is a much more diffuse enemy.

If "product safety standards" encompassed the entire process by which they were made, and then disposed of, many of these issues, and more, could be confronted.
If rich western consumers demanded it be so...

Josh_76 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:32 pm I think the point of disagreement here is "much". And also in which pollution category. I doubt anyone has claimed it will change CO2 levels, which you for some reason keep saying that's what they are is saying.

Can you link me to a single instance of where I've said that's what they are is saying?

bangkokhooker wrote: ↑Wed Aug 08, 2018 1:17 pm i find sc comments very odd considering his social enterprise. why does he bother when the government doesnt?

very strange comments

Fair comment, to which I struggle to put a reasonable answer.

Except this. We work with a low number of at-risk young people who stay with the enterprise for six months, two years, longer. We invest into those people life skills, and also the education opportunities they missed as kids as a result of being trafficked or having to grow rice. As a result, almost every single one of them pays back into their families and communities, often in ways that we don't hear about until many months later. Some teach free English classes in their village or street, some offer homework assistance to others, some befriend widows and orphans.

Others are doing very similar things, some on a much larger scale. You don't hear much from these people as they're busy doing what they do. You will hear a lot from the professional poverty industry though.

Yup, soap-boxing. I'll stop now.

ok princess.

stevenjb wrote: ↑Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:20 am

tightenupvolume1 wrote:I buy my drugs in little plasic bags, it pisses me off and then i take the drugs and i don't care

charlie

Make sure you lick the inside of the plastic bag so no residue is left over.

I'm pretty sure that it's the plastic bags and not the drug residue that kills the fishes.
(But you can still lick the bag clean if that makes you feel feel better about the planet.)

yeah i think half the efforts with having to pay for plastic bags and replacing plastic straws is to start gaining awareness

i remember when all our rubbish was thrown into one black bin, and i remember when they started talking about people trying to recycle their waste, and everyone was like whats the point,
then they introduced a 2nd recycling bin, now everyone is recycling all the time, without even really thinking, everyone also now have a 3rd bin for kitchen and garden waste

it may seem like a little ripple now, but it should pick up once awareness is raised, the plastic straw change here in the UK has had a good positive reaction, and everyone already is used to the no plastic bags at checkout thing

https://www.businessinsider.com/hsbc-wa ... ife-2018-8
One of the largest banks issued an alarming warning that Earth is running out of the resources to sustain life
Jeremy Berke 14h

The planet is running out of resources, HSBC warned in a new note.
Earth Overshoot Day — the point in a year at which our demand for natural resources exceeds what the planet can renew — occurred on August 1, just seven months into 2018.
HSBC said companies and governments are not "adequately prepared" for climate effects.
One of the world's largest banks says the planet is running out of resources and warns that neither governments nor companies are prepared for climate change.

The world spent its entire natural resource budget for the year by August 1, a group of analysts at HSBC said in a note that cited research from the Global Footprint Network (GFN).

That means that the world's citizens used up all the planet's resources for the year in just seven months, according to GFN's analysis.

"In our opinion, these findings and events show that many businesses and governments are not adequately prepared for climate impacts, nor are they using natural resources efficiently," the HSBC analysts said in the note.

Many banks and asset managers have started factoring climate risks into their decision-making — a move spurred in part by former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg. But it's far less common to see multinational banks sound the alarm about climate change so explicitly in their equity research.

To calculate Earth's natural resource budget, GFN considers the demand for natural resources — which includes food, forests, and marine products — as well as humans' effects on the environment from factors like carbon emissions. The combined total is designed give a comprehensive picture of humanity's global footprint.

Earth Overshoot Day , the point in a year at which we use up a year's worth of resources, has been steadily moving forward in time since GFN first started tracking it. In 1970, we "overshot" Earth's resource budget by only 2 days — Overshoot Day fell on December 29, according to HSBC. That date has been pushed up by almost five months since then.

HSBC's note also warned about extreme events resulting from heat, including the wildfires in Scandinavia and broken temperature records around the world.

"As scientists work on attribution analysis for specific events — the general consensus is that climate change is making these events more likely to occur and more severe," HSBC said.

The predicted effects of climate change are starting to become real. Wildfires have torn through California in recent years, and they're part of a worsening trend related to rising global temperatures. Other consequences include increased frequency of hurricanes and flooding , melting ice sheets , and greater numbers of heat waves .

Recent studies have shown that global temperatures by the year 2100 could be up to 15% higher than the highest projections from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

According to HSBC, extreme events have severe economic and social costs.

"In our view, adaptation will move further up the agenda with a growing focus on the social consequences," the analysts said.