TEFL question (please don't lynch me)

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As usual Stroppy Chops has summed up the situation quite accurately. And so did juansweetpotato when he stated, "It's certainly not as good as it used to be here. Harder to find work, and less money by around a half than a few10 to 15 years ago."

I could only add that if you are considering teaching for a f
ew years overseas, forget TEFL and go the CELTA, DELTA route. You will find better positions and salaries with those certificates.
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Many thanks all, really appreciate the input.

The TEFL course I'm looking at is the 150 hour Masters & I'll look to try and get as much in place (accommodation, etc) while I'm in England as possible (I'm a bit of a planning nerd).

A good friend of mine actually lived on the street in Myanmar where that stabbing took place...he assures me they're not all like that ;)
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hatchelt wrote: Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:55 pm
A good friend of mine actually lived on the street in Myanmar where that stabbing took place...he assures me they're not all like that ;)

?????? :stir: wtf
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hatchelt wrote: Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:55 pm Many thanks all, really appreciate the input.

The TEFL course I'm looking at is the 150 hour Masters & I'll look to try and get as much in place (accommodation, etc) while I'm in England as possible (I'm a bit of a planning nerd).

A good friend of mine actually lived on the street in Myanmar where that stabbing took place...he assures me they're not all like that ;)
Forget that course as it's not worth anywhere as much as a CELTA as far as the better schools are concerned. Which usually, but not always, equates to better pay, And that's world wide. You can do the CELTA part time in most western countries over about three months. Otherwise, it is an amazingly intense month of 18 hour a day work.
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juansweetpotato wrote: Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:40 pm
hatchelt wrote: Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:55 pm Many thanks all, really appreciate the input.

The TEFL course I'm looking at is the 150 hour Masters & I'll look to try and get as much in place (accommodation, etc) while I'm in England as possible (I'm a bit of a planning nerd).

A good friend of mine actually lived on the street in Myanmar where that stabbing took place...he assures me they're not all like that ;)
Forget that course as it's not worth anywhere as much as a CELTA as far as the better schools are concerned. Which usually, but not always, equates to better pay, And that's world wide. You can do the CELTA part time in most western countries over about three months. Otherwise, it is an amazingly intense month of 18 hour a day work.
Also, I'd be looking very closely at the accreditation specifications for that course - any institution that is offering a course as a "Masters" that is not actually a Masters Degree (as in, a university postgraduate degree) is scamming you. I'm not aware of any actual Masters Degrees in TEFL - the closest actual, real qualification would be a Master of Education TESOL or a Master of Arts TEFL.

While writing this I Googled similar qualifications and found that there are actually Master of TEFL qualifications - snort, harumph - but note that to be legitimate, these ARE actually postgraduate courses, meaning you've completed your 3- or 4-year undergraduate qualification already. And if you have a BA or BSc in the right field for teaching, getting an MA is almost redundant and very expensive. Ask me how I know.
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StroppyChops wrote: Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:47 pm
juansweetpotato wrote: Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:40 pm
hatchelt wrote: Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:55 pm Many thanks all, really appreciate the input.

The TEFL course I'm looking at is the 150 hour Masters & I'll look to try and get as much in place (accommodation, etc) while I'm in England as possible (I'm a bit of a planning nerd).

A good friend of mine actually lived on the street in Myanmar where that stabbing took place...he assures me they're not all like that ;)
Forget that course as it's not worth anywhere as much as a CELTA as far as the better schools are concerned. Which usually, but not always, equates to better pay, And that's world wide. You can do the CELTA part time in most western countries over about three months. Otherwise, it is an amazingly intense month of 18 hour a day work.
Also, I'd be looking very closely at the accreditation specifications for that course - any institution that is offering a course as a "Masters" that is not actually a Masters Degree (as in, a university postgraduate degree) is scamming you. I'm not aware of any actual Masters Degrees in TEFL - the closest actual, real qualification would be a Master of Education TESOL or a Master of Arts TEFL.

While writing this I Googled similar qualifications and found that there are actually Master of TEFL qualifications - snort, harumph - but note that to be legitimate, these ARE actually postgraduate courses, meaning you've completed your 3- or 4-year undergraduate qualification already. And if you have a BA or BSc in the right field for teaching, getting an MA is almost redundant and very expensive. Ask me how I know.
Well if you haven't heard of it, you can be pretty damn sure that a gangster school director hasn't heard of it.
Most don't even know what a PGCE is.

Go on then - how do you know?
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juansweetpotato wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:00 am Well if you haven't heard of it, you can be pretty damn sure that a gangster school director hasn't heard of it.
Most don't even know what a PGCE is.

Go on then - how do you know?
I have the BSc, PGCE and MEd. Not so sure the MEd was worth the $40k, other than it makes getting teaching gigs really easy, but the reality is that once you're in the door, the teaching qualification becomes irrelevant. In class today, we made popcorn and played cards.
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StroppyChops wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:05 am
juansweetpotato wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:00 am Well if you haven't heard of it, you can be pretty damn sure that a gangster school director hasn't heard of it.
Most don't even know what a PGCE is.

Go on then - how do you know?
I have the BSc, PGCE and MEd. Not so sure the MEd was worth the $40k, other than it makes getting teaching gigs really easy, but the reality is that once you're in the door, the teaching qualification becomes irrelevant. In class today, we made popcorn and played cards.
What's the BSc in?
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juansweetpotato wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:08 am
StroppyChops wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:05 am
juansweetpotato wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:00 am Well if you haven't heard of it, you can be pretty damn sure that a gangster school director hasn't heard of it.
Most don't even know what a PGCE is.

Go on then - how do you know?
I have the BSc, PGCE and MEd. Not so sure the MEd was worth the $40k, other than it makes getting teaching gigs really easy, but the reality is that once you're in the door, the teaching qualification becomes irrelevant. In class today, we made popcorn and played cards.
What's the BSc in?
IT. The PGCE is in E.
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friend of mine teaches in Yangon and has a masters of education degree, he had a regular BS degree before
took him 18 months in the states
by getting his masters he now earns in excess of $3,000/month plus a really nice 2 bedroom Apt worth another $1,500 and free flights to the Thailand every 3 months
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