siliconlife wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:39 am

sousadeyy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:32 am

Duncan wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:24 am
Try to remember , attacking the message is OK ,,, attacking the messenger is Not OK

Correct Duncan, my bad. Allow me to rephrase - The most annoying thing about some people who post on CEO.

I have to agree, no matter what your opinion, some of the language in this thread is disgustingly aggressive, and a lot of it plainly self-righteous. I certainly haven't seen sousadeyy attack anyone, so Duncan's post seems odd to me when we have another poster in here angrily calling other people murderers, and doling out classics like "GROW UP" in allcaps. Looks like when some people don't have friends to hang out with they lash out at others on the Internet.

On another note, you probably should just have the absolute minimum social contact possible right now, at least for another month (or 12), because the situation is so unpredictable. It's not an act of love, or heroism, it's just the right thing to do - I hate most people, but that doesn't mean I want them to die, or scream at them on the Internet for that matter. So don't forget to stay civil while your locked down, self-isolation can be lonely for some, yeah?

Sorry if it appeared that way, but my comments were aimed at everyone , not sousadeyy.

We, that's myself and better half self isolated in Phnom Penh at the start of this, managing 3 to 4 days then out to food shop, that would take place after midnight, being less people around. Then the same again. Then she wanted to check on the family members. I took her on the bike, better than sitting on the bus with people, also doing a bit of travel at night. Not too much traffic, but plenty of police road blocks. We saw overall no more people then before being out of the city and in the provenance. How many of you live or have been out in the countryside? Life there is as it was before, for most people, being that they do the same around the same area and people.
Anyway we will be back in the big city today, and no doubt self isolated once more to keep away from the many local people around us who do not lock themselves away and get on normally in their lives. Yes many are scared of what they can't see or really understand.
But please remind me why you decide to be self isolated, for yourselves or the peoples health, for you would only put others at risk by having the virus.

In a time of crisis, people should stand together. I am willing to give money, to help with delivering supplies to people who chooses to stay home, help with providing the people who needs it masks and alcohol instead of hoarding it for myself, if an organization or governments are willing, I'd like to allow people who could contaminate people at risk to get a separated accommodation, or being offered a paid leave for a couple months and prevent their company from firing them. I would encourage people to mind more about their hygiene habits and to wear a mask when going at places like the bank where they might cross people who cannot afford to be infected because they are staying with people at risk and had no other choice but to go out to make a transaction.

But being jailed is not part of the equation, whether it be at home or in a prison. Not being able to build my immune system against this new threat before it mutates isn't part of the equation either.

If someone wants the freedom to be safe from this disease, they are free to stay at home, and in order to help them do so, I am ready to act and would be favorable to governments decision meant to do just that.
Once they're safe at home, what I do with myself does not impact them anymore, and they should wish for the rest of the world to keep going out, cause the more people stay at home, the less means our society have to help those who wish to stay at home.

If you want to save lives, go out and keep living, we need free trade and a working economy in order for healthy people to be able to correctly help the people at risk. Staying at home with hand sanitizer is less useful that helping the economy run, or more directly helping those who needs it by organizing free delivery to those who choose to stay at home for example. For every customer that stays at home, a young probably sick worker goes back to it's country-side family land and infect the most at risk and the olds in places where there is no doctors and no hospitals. And for the young returning to their family without the disease, the loan sharks and the banks will steal their land and leave them to die of poverty.

Confinement only creates unprecedented mass exodus and increase the spread of the virus to the most at risk population and places where it was originally less likely to spread.
Removing yourself from the economy and staying at home will kill much more people than the coronavirus will, not everyone has the luxury of stocking up and living without pay for months and their lively-hood depends on the people who can afford those luxury to play a part in the economy. Poverty kills.

Keep working, Keep dancing in the disco, Keep going to the bars, Keep having fun, and you will save lives I believe, and make sure to increase your hygiene habits when going to places like supermarket or the bank, or at work etc.. where you might encounter people.

On a side note, taking a step back, if you really wanna save lives, forget about the coronavirus all together when it comes to cambodia, remember that contrary to our own countries, khmer people die by the thousands of sickness for which a vaccine already exists. If you want to save live and don't care about poverty death and want to focus on health issue forget about corona, and start with vaccines and medication for disease much more deadly. Naga is reporting 1.8 billion$ of revenue and now they are forced to close like all other casinos nation-wide. A fraction of the revenues lost by people confining themselves is all we are lacking for medication and vaccines that will save more lives in cambodia than the coronavirus will ever take.

Some of y'all need science and logic

Now imagine yourself taking those 406 people who works in the lively part of the capital where they are most at risk of getting infected, are mostly young and healthy and won't ever need to be hospitalized for the coronavirus, making them loose their job and spread them across the whole country back to their family or vacation house.
Instead of letting them live their lives, acquire immunity, and save the most at risk population by distancing them.

Basically it boils down to the coronavirus is real, hospitals can become overwhelmed, no one wants that, stay home, shut up, and wait patiently for real experts to figure this out and don't listen to 'Jim' on Facebook who thinks he's fucking woke and knows more than the WHO.

In a country plagued by malaria, and with no vaccines, as much as the coronavirus is real, it won't weight anything on the scale of all diseases (especially mosquitoes and sexual transmitted diseases) death in Cambodia even if 100% of phnom penh is infected with the corona, especially taking in account the age range of the population in the big cities (Once again confinement increases spread in rural areas).
Don't worry too much about hospitals becoming overwhelmed in cambodia either, with no healthcare and most people having never heard of what an insurance is there won't be any overwhelmed hospital. I know covid treatment is covered by the government, but even without taking in account the lack of tests available, the strain on the hospital will be nothing, you cannot compare cambodia expected increased strain on the hospital, with full social coverage countries of old people where everyone is vaccinated against previously known diseases.
I won't stay home, don't worry about me infecting you or your loved one though I'm not gonna break into your house, as for the shut up part I guess it's not even worth saying anything to that.....

As for taking your information from WHO, I advise you to do so as well, because I suspect you of taking your information from second-hand sources rather than going through the official reports yourself.

404FreedomNotFound wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:51 am In a country plagued by malaria, and with no vaccines.

Cambodia has an excellent system for vaccination and records for each kid. The yellow book.

By the way, Jim told me a couple decade ago that eventually, crisis arises, and when it does, government spread fear, and that eventually all government across the world will act as one to impose world-wide laws against personal freedoms, track their population via gps, install thermal camera, use face recognition across the whole country with no dark spot.... I told Jim he was crazy, and that he should listen to the authority on the matter..... look around you, it's all coming true, using the fear of the coronavirus. Lack of freedom (or fascism if you will) killed more people across history than any virus ever did.

WHO is the most accurate source we got for data and stats. I love and believe in science with all my heart. In a computer simulation that doesn't take into account reality where everyone is a robot that doesn't need to eat, don't have a family, and will just social distance himself their model are correct, but the reality is Mass Exodus as a direct result of confinement laws, both cross-country (Look at the 170 000 migrants workers from thailand for example), and from big cities to rural cities (look at phnom penh with all buisness closing by force or lack of customer and tens of thousands of people going to various rural area).

In addition to that WHO does not account for human rights, economic and poverty death in their coronavirus guidelines, they are entirely built as a way to reduce coronavirus deaths, and do not make the claim that such measures would be beneficial to our society as a whole.

@Jerry Atrick I completely agree with you regarding the younger generation, and kids are almost all vaccinated apart from some regions, I both see that in stats and in my personal experience, but it does not play a big enough role on the overall stats of death from disease for which we do have vaccines as most of the older generations haven't been vaccinated (I haven't been able to find stats easily to verify this point on older generations). Also many disease do not have vaccines but can be treated via medication, but in cambodia many people still die from those diseases. I have to agree that on the specific point of the percent of all age ranges people vaccinated in cambodia, stats might end up proving me wrong, as this view is mostly from personal experience and the khmer people I know older than 30 years old usually don't have vaccination at all, or have had it but were not aware that they would have already needed to have a recall years later. I do not believe this invalidate the rest of my arguments, especially as younger generation are less impacted statistically by the covid-19, but thank you for pointing this out.