BOFH wrote:wow. such $18,000,000,000,000 national debt. amazing. very profit.

What's that number to an American (because it changes by country) - is that 18 brazilian?

Question:
How many people in the world hold a Nobel Peace prize yet are responsible for over 100,000 civilian deaths ..
Answer : Hitler..No . Stalin...no...Obama Yes...
Be proud of that SQUF....he gets the job down...

a good read;
http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/12/09/a-s ... tsRS12%2F9

Obes has a Nobel Peace Prize?

With ISIS Castrating women and beheadings by the thousands Perfect timing to release this report!

WAY TO GO FEINSTEIN! YOU OLD FUCKING HYMIE P.O.S! HOW MUCH GODDAMN MONEY HAS FALLEN INTO YOUR BANK ACCOUNT THROUGH GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS THAT YOU RIGGED FOR YOUR HUBBY! WHAT WAS YOUR WORTH BEFORE BECOMING SENATOR?

TREASON 100%

UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture says Zeid Raad al-Hussein!

Yo Hussein! You are the fucking terrorist. You and the UN who have overthrown dozens of countries for not following your mental disorder agenda of Socialist Tyranny. Go get your hand lopped off by a Free Syrian peace loving rebel! You and Anderson Cooper

http://www.bestgore.com/bloody-injuries ... tan-syria/

phuketrichard wrote:a good read;
http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/12/09/a-s ... tsRS12%2F9

Thanks for the link. Good read
There is another article on same site worth a look 'Tick, Tick, Bull, Shit' - Don’t believe the CIA’s ticking time bomb excuse when it says it had to torture.


For the complete load of hyperbole, contradictions and bullshit, this glossy site really is worth a mention;
http://www.ciasavedlives.com


Such fantastic ironic statements contained in US Government papers posted in their defence as the following;

"Between 9/11 and the end of February 2002, CIA rendered more than [redacted] suspected terrorists to third countries, primarily to [redacted]. The result was not particularly satisfactorily, and little actionable intelligence to thwart planned attacks was acquired. Jose Rodriquez, a senior officer in CTC at the time of Abu Zubaydah’s capture and soon to become Chief of CTC in May 2002, later wrote that “We couldn’t control interviews done by others, had limited ability to ask time-urgent follow-on questions and quite significantly, could not guarantee that the prisoner’s rights were being respected”.

The uncertainty associated with this process “made those of us in CTC very uncomfortable about contracting out the interrogation of our most important detainees,” according to Rodriguez. “And therefore we pushed for the establishment of our own detention and interrogation facilities, the ‘black sites’ – facilities in a third country where detainees could be held and questioned in secrecy”

Associated Press:-
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/3fb4f226 ... ure-report

Former CIA officials responsible for the program echoed these points in interviews.

John McLaughlin, then deputy CIA director, said waterboarding and other tactics transformed Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed into a U.S. "consultant" on al-Qaida.

Tenet, the director on Sept. 11, 2001, said the interrogation program "saved thousands of Americans lives" while the country faced a "ticking time bomb every day."

Former Vice President Dick Cheney also pushed back, saying in a Fox News interview that the Senate report "is full of crap."

In no uncertain terms, Cheney said the CIA's approach to interrogating terror suspects was necessary after the 9/11 attacks, and the people who carried them out were doing their duty.

"We asked the agency to go take steps and put in place programs that were designed to catch the bastards who killed 3,000 of us on 9/11 and make sure it didn't happen again, and that's exactly what they did, and they deserve a lot of credit," he said, "not the condemnation they are receiving from the Senate Democrats. "

Cheney said after the capture of Mohammed, it was essential to find out what he knew.

"He is in our possession we know he is the architect — what are we supposed to do?" Cheney said. "Kiss him on both cheeks and say please, please tell us what you know?"

Former top CIA officials published a website — http://ciasavedlives.com — pointing out decade-old statements from Sens. Dianne Feinstein and Jay Rockefeller in apparent support of agency efforts. The two Democrats spearheaded the Senate investigation.

The intelligence committee's Republicans issued their own 167-page "minority" report and said the Democratic analysis was flawed, dishonest and, at $40 million, a waste of taxpayer money. Feinstein's office said Wednesday most of the cost was incurred by the CIA in trying to hide its record.

If the sides agreed on one thing, it was the CIA suffered from significant mismanagement problems early on. The agency and its Republican supporters said those failings were corrected.

"We have learned from these mistakes," current CIA Director John Brennan said.

President George W. Bush approved the program through a covert finding in 2002 but wasn't briefed by the CIA on the details until 2006.

Obama banned harsh interrogation tactics upon taking office, calling the treatment "torture." But he has shown little interest in holding accountable anyone involved, a sore point among human rights groups and his supporters on the left.

Lawyers representing former CIA detainees have introduced cases in Europe and Canada, though to little success thus far. Undeclared prisons existed in Poland, Romania and Lithuania, among countries.

Twenty-six Americans, mostly CIA agents, were convicted in absentia in Italy of kidnapping a Muslim cleric in Milan in 2003, limiting their ability to travel for fear of extradition. The former CIA base chief in Italy was briefly detained in Panama last year before being returned to the U.S.

The potential prosecution of CIA officials explains somewhat the agency's aggressive response. For months, it reviewed the Senate report to black out names or information that might allow foreign governments, investigating magistrates and human rights lawyers to identify individuals. It demanded the elimination of pseudonyms in part so foreign courts wouldn't be able to connect evidence to a single individual.

"I'm concerned," said John Rizzo, former CIA general counsel who is frequently mentioned in the report. He said he may think twice about traveling to Europe, noting, "For better or worse now, I'm a high-profile, notorious public figure."

StroppyChops wrote:Obes has a Nobel Peace Prize?

Yup. The Norwegians were so impressed with him being not-Bush, they gave him the Nobel Peace Prize for it.

http://thecommunity.com/no-to-torture/

"When a nation’s leaders condone and even order torture, that nation has lost its way. One need only look to the regimes where torture became a systematic practice – from Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany to the French in Algeria, South Vietnam, the Khmer Rouge and others – to see the ultimate fate of a regime so divorced from their own humanity."

Respectfully,

President José Ramos-Horta, Timor-Leste,
Nobel Peace Prize laureate, 1996

Leymah Gbowee, Liberia,
Nobel Peace Prize laureate, 2011

John Hume, Northern Ireland,
Nobel Peace Prize laureate, 1998

Bishop Carlos X. Belo, Timor-Leste,
Nobel Peace Prize laureate, 1996

Archbishop Desmond Tutu, South Africa,
Nobel Peace Prize laureate, 1984

Muhammad Yunus, Bangladesh,
Nobel Peace Prize laureate, 2006

F.W. De Klerk, South Africa,
Nobel Peace Prize laureate, 1993

Betty Williams, Northern Ireland,
Nobel Peace Prize laureate, 1976

Mohammad ElBaradei, Egypt,
Nobel Peace Prize laureate, 2005

Oscar Arias Sanchez, Costa Rica,
Nobel Peace Prize laureate, 1987

Jody Williams, USA,
Nobel Peace Prize laureate, 1997

Adolfo Perez Esquivel, Argentina,
Nobel Peace Prize laureate, 1980


Usual smoke & mirrors:-

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/19/us/po ... .html?_r=2

WASHINGTON — When the Bush administration revealed in 2005 that it was secretly interpreting a treaty ban on “cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment” as not applying to C.I.A. and military prisons overseas, Barack Obama, then a newly elected Democratic senator from Illinois, joined in a bipartisan protest.

Mr. Obama supported legislation to make it clear that American officials were legally barred from using cruelty anywhere in the world. And in a Senate speech, he said enacting such a statute “acknowledges and confirms existing obligations” under the treaty, the United Nations Convention Against Torture.

But the Obama administration has never officially declared its position on the treaty, and now, President Obama’s legal team is debating whether to back away from his earlier view. It is considering reaffirming the Bush administration’s position that the treaty imposes no legal obligation on the United States to bar cruelty outside its borders, according to officials who discussed the deliberations on the condition of anonymity.