Scotland vs UK - Scotland better off?

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Re: Scotland vs UK - Scotland better off?

Post by giblet » Sat Jul 26, 2014 2:12 am

UKJ wrote: What I meant by benefits is, why should someone on benefits be allowed to bring in a partner? So they must set a bottom line, ie , employed with a minimum salary, which I'm sure every tax payer would agree. A figure just needs to be set then. £18k is barely above minimum wage. How low do you think it should be set for two people who may have children at any time or already have children? Do you think they could survive on less than that? I wouldn't like to try it.
Would £18k leave about £15k net after tax?
Someone who is making more than the minimum wage wouldn't be able to get benefits. If the minimum wage isn't enough to support the bare minimum required to have a child, then I think the real issue is the minimum wage (and not Brits with foreign spouses). And the reality is you are also including couples that are on a £100,000 per year salary, combined. They only consider the UK spouse, so the foreign spouse's income is not considered.
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Re: Scotland vs UK - Scotland better off?

Post by UKJ » Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:13 am

giblet wrote:
UKJ wrote: What I meant by benefits is, why should someone on benefits be allowed to bring in a partner? So they must set a bottom line, ie , employed with a minimum salary, which I'm sure every tax payer would agree. A figure just needs to be set then. £18k is barely above minimum wage. How low do you think it should be set for two people who may have children at any time or already have children? Do you think they could survive on less than that? I wouldn't like to try it.
Would £18k leave about £15k net after tax?
Someone who is making more than the minimum wage wouldn't be able to get benefits. If the minimum wage isn't enough to support the bare minimum required to have a child, then I think the real issue is the minimum wage (and not Brits with foreign spouses). And the reality is you are also including couples that are on a £100,000 per year salary, combined. They only consider the UK spouse, so the foreign spouse's income is not considered.
We are getting mixed up here about benefits. Although people on minimum wage do get benefits. ( tax credits) , including euro immigrants.

For minimum wage - add tax credits and housing benefits and council tax reductions. But it's a bit cheeky for non tax paying non Brits to criticize it. imho.
Capitalism and your value in the marketplace. You will get paid what your skills are worth. Unfortunately, mine aren't worth anything. Hence, I went the self employment route. I refuse to whine about it though. Higher wages are there if I want to put in the effort and sacrifices. The thing about minimum wage married couples in the UK is that they both have to work. Although they do get a lot of financial assistance from single guys like me, who pay tax, yet get little in return. If someone is on the minimum wage, then maybe they should accept they can't afford a family, rather than expect taxpayers to pay for their family. Or they could work harder! For the price of a bucket and sponge, they could start washing windows! There really is no excuse for able bodied people not being able to earn enough money.

Here's an article about an immigrant milking the welfare system. Tell me you wouldn't be pissed at paying taxes to support this parasite?
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/488813 ... I-ll-STEAL" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Scotland vs UK - Scotland better off?

Post by Soi Dog » Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:03 am

This thread should be in the "Rest of the World" section, but...I am watching a debate between Alistair Darling and Alex Salmond (two Scottish politicians of some note, I take it) on BBC Scotland. They are going at the debate pretty hard, constantly talking over each other and interrupting each other. The audience is quite riled up as well. I don't know if either one is scoring debate points, because they are covering the same ground over and over again. It's getting rather nasty. I'm hoping Scotland goes independent, just for the curiosity factor. Should be an interesting social experiment.

I understand the vote is September 18th. Should be interesting times.
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Re: Scotland vs UK - Scotland better off?

Post by Bitte_Kein_Lexus » Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:33 am

I'd say it would be a bad social experiment given that it could extend to many other places with similar historical gripes (Quebec/Basque/Catalonia/etc). Might not be so bad for Kurdistan though...
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Re: Scotland vs UK - Scotland better off?

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Re: Scotland vs UK - Scotland better off?

Post by Soi Dog » Mon Sep 15, 2014 1:00 am

So place your bets now. The big vote is this week.

I think Scotland will say NO to independence, and by a surprisingly wide margin. The vast majority of so-called "undecideds" will vote NO. People always say they want change, but usually back down when the chance arises, because of the fear factor of uncertainty.
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Re: Scotland vs UK - Scotland better off?

Post by UKJ » Mon Sep 15, 2014 2:06 am

The next few days are crucial. If no can up their game, they can win. Very close just now though.
I have been hearing that Eastern Euros, just 4 years in Scotland, can vote. As can all the English pensioners that came up for free healthcare, and they will vote yes.
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Re: Scotland vs UK - Scotland better off?

Post by Cowshed Cowboy » Mon Sep 15, 2014 2:08 pm

A relative's carer who is a not long arrived Pole told me she didn't feel it was her right to vote on an issue of such magnitude for Scotland, I thought that was a refreshingly principled stance to take.
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Re: Scotland vs UK - Scotland better off?

Post by Milord » Mon Sep 15, 2014 2:25 pm

John Oliver's show did a long segment about it last night.
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Re: Scotland vs UK - Scotland better off?

Post by UKJ » Fri Sep 19, 2014 12:10 pm

Phew. :beer3:
Property doesn't plummet, nor does the pound. Immigration floodgate doesn't open, and I still have the UK "status".
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