grumpygit wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2023 2:28 pm

Random Dude wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2023 2:02 pm

grumpygit wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2023 5:57 am There was talk of the Greek wild fires. Strangely non of that talk mentioned the 79 arrests for arson, some lighting fires on purpose some by neglect.

Not sure where you got that idea. If you google 'what started Greek bush fires' most of the results will be from well-known news sources saying exactly that - that a lot of the fires were caused by people, either arson or accident. There's even a Wikipedia page with the first paragraph talking about the arrests. They then go on to explain how that's not unusual for Greece (same as anywhere that has a fire season), fires are a given, almost guaranteed to happen.
But what is unusual is the climate conditions that make the fires much more difficult to control, much more likely to spread quickly, and that's what people are talking about.



The doom mongers have been predicting costal areas being underwater and the earth looking like a drunks pizza found charred in the oven the morning after the night before. These predictions have been going on for decades. Deadlines come and go and still London New York Los Angeles ect remain above water.

https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-yea ... ictions/

Should anyone care to look at some of the predicted non events.

I flicked through some of your list. Yeah, a lot of the things they predicted didn't happen when they thought they would - especially the predictions made in the early 70s.
What you're missing (or ignoring?) is that some of those predictions are what we're watching play out now. For decades scientists have been identifying the problem and warning us of the end result, them getting the time frame wrong, or the exact sequence of events wrong doesn't mean that the problem doesn't exist, it's because humanity has never lived through a time of massive change over a very short time period, so scientists are having to learn about this very complex situation as it happens in a lot of cases.

At the end of the day though, to put it in a nutshell...

Scientists have been telling us for decades that what we're doing is likely to heat the planet, melt the glaciers and ice caps, and change the climate so that we can expect to see more severe, and more frequent extreme weather events.
And that's what is happening.

Nai
You use the term scientists in a very inclusive way that some may say is misleading, others may use the term naive. I guess that would depend on their opinion of the agenda they perceive you as pushing.

Let's be honest.. not all "scientists" get a fair shake of the tree when it comes to enjoying media freedom. trot out the accepted narrative and you'll be a busy bee with all the TV panel appearances and news paper interviews.. come to the wrong conclusion and you are in a media black hole.

I'm a rural person. I live in a small rural town in the north of England. Lots of farms lots of moorland.

There is a particular huge moore that overlooks the next village. All heather and wild grasses.. for 98% of the year nothing happens there.. cars drive by people stop for a cig. After a nice summer the grass drys out and people start going up there for picnics and BBQs.
Every nice summer since I was a kid that fucking Moore has set on fire. It takes them weeks to put out.. it's not global warming.. it's called summer and twats being careless.
It gets much more media attention these days of course because it fits in nicely with the accepted narrative. plus everyone has a 4k video camera in their pocket.

Random Dude wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2023 2:52 pm [


So when summer happens to be longer, dryer, and hotter the fire risk is obviously going to be greater, and the fires harder to control, would you agree?

grumpygit wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2023 3:08 pm

Random Dude wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2023 2:52 pm [


So when summer happens to be longer, dryer, and hotter the fire risk is obviously going to be greater, and the fires harder to control, would you agree?

No.
List of the 10 worst heat waves in the world:
European heat wave - 2003 - Number of victims: 70,000 people
Russian heat wave - 2010 - Number of victims: 56,000 people
North American heat wave - 1988 - Number of victims: 10,000 people
American heat wave - 1980 - Number of victims: 10,000 people
Heat wave east of the United States - 1901 - Number of victims: 9,500 people
Indian heat wave - 2015 - Number of victims: 2,500 people
Pakistani heat wave - 2015 - Number of victims: 2,000 people
Northeast American heat wave - 1896 - Number of victims: 1,500 people
Greek heat wave - 1987 - Number of victims: 1,500 people
Indian heat wave - 2002 - Number of victims: 1,200 people

grumpygit wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2023 3:32 pm I'm done here dude..

Go wave your silly little eco flag in China or India, see how far you get.