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And greasy old men in the declining stages of senile psychosis. And No I won't mention any names.

uchsarath wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2016 3:02 pm I feel like people are getting busier and busier in their daily life. Even me myself I don't have enough time to go out and shop for products. Sometimes I feel tired, or I should spend my evening with friends or family better than wasting 1 hour or 2 hours shopping for grocery. I found this website, http://www.pengpos.com but has just tried one before. Their service is good and acceptable. Is there any other online grocery shopping in Phnom Penh?

Lots of issues and problems:

Limited assortment. There are lots of products that I buy but that none of these online shops carry. Example. Dutch Gouda cheese. I can find it in many little express shops, but not online.

Botched payment methods. Ok, it is hard to take credit cards online in Cambodia, and most locals don't have them. Fine. But no bitcoin either. Or even something as silly as wing express.

No grouping of shops. Better to have an aliexpress.com where the merchants offer their products. That creates an enormous assortment. It also allows the market to discipline vendors who misbehave. Multivendor setups would more easily create critical mass. A small individual web shop does not really work, because it requires the buyer to trust the shop.

Delivery only in Phnom Penh. Lots of taxis and vans travel around the whole of Cambodia, already shipping lots of stuff for a fee, with very good delivery times, but not one of these online shops has discovered the existence of that parcel delivery market. So, I can't get them to deliver to Sihanoukville, especially if they want cash on delivery, because I would be paying the cash to an third party, and I guess that they do not want that risk, which brings us back to the botched payment methods.

This is not merely a problem in Cambodia. We really need some kind of Uber platform for parcel delivery. One reason, however, why it will not take off that much in Cambodia, is because it requires the service providers to be sufficiently literate to deal with an app on their phone. That is also why Uber won't take off in Cambodia that much. In fact, the entire Cambodian economy seems to be blocked on the lack of basic reading and writing skills. But then again, we have known that problem for decades. So, nothing new there.

eriksank wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2017 3:00 pm

uchsarath wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2016 3:02 pm I feel like people are getting busier and busier in their daily life. Even me myself I don't have enough time to go out and shop for products. Sometimes I feel tired, or I should spend my evening with friends or family better than wasting 1 hour or 2 hours shopping for grocery. I found this website, http://www.pengpos.com but has just tried one before. Their service is good and acceptable. Is there any other online grocery shopping in Phnom Penh?

Lots of issues and problems:

Botched payment methods. Ok, it is hard to take credit cards online in Cambodia, and most locals don't have them. Fine. But no bitcoin either. Or even something as silly as wing express.

Delivery only in Phnom Penh. Lots of taxis and vans travel around the whole of Cambodia, already shipping lots of stuff for a fee, with very good delivery times, but not one of these online shops has discovered the existence of that parcel delivery market. So, I can't get them to deliver to Sihanoukville, especially if they want cash on delivery, because I would be paying the cash to an third party, and I guess that they do not want that risk, which brings us back to the botched payment methods.

how many people likely to use the online supermarket are likely going to have bitcoins to pay?

why would you get an online supermarket to deliver goods from phnom penh to sihanoukville when there is already a well established online supermarket already here? plus why wait for you grocerys when you could just pop to the local supermarket, sihanoukville is small and not plagued with traffic it takes me 2 minutes to get to the supermarket if i need something

Jamie_Lambo wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2017 3:18 pmhow many people likely to use the online supermarket are likely going to have bitcoins to pay?

That is a chicken-and-egg problem. If you can pay with bitcoin at an online marketplace in Cambodia, it would beef up demand for bitcoin in the btc-for-cash local market. More traders would be offering them. And then more people would have them too. Wing express would also be a workable local payment option. Wing express does not force anybody to open an account, provide endless amounts of paperwork, such as copies of passports, visas, rental contracts, or to generally enter a master-slave relationship with a bank.

Jamie_Lambo wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2017 3:18 pmwhy would you get an online supermarket to deliver goods from phnom penh to sihanoukville when there is already a well established online supermarket already here?

cmbmart.com has a poor assortment. I can't find Dutch gouda cheese or French camembert there. Single-vendor online shops will always have a limited assortment. Someone needs to set up a fully-fledged online multi-vendor marketplace like alibaba or amazon. You can pretty much find anything you could ever want in multivendor marketplaces like amazon.

Jamie_Lambo wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2017 3:18 pm ... plus why wait for you grocerys when you could just pop to the local supermarket, sihanoukville is small and not plagued with traffic it takes me 2 minutes to get to the supermarket if i need something ...

It would allow me to get some kind of monthly (or even three-monthly) shopping list delivered to the house. If I happen to run out of supplies during the month, I would just pick it up at a local supermarket. You see, local supermarkets barely cater to foreign tastes. For example, I like to eat things like this:



cmbmart.com obviously doesn't carry it. The superette on Victory Hill carries it, though. There are so many products that one, single vendor will never have.

But then again, the general lack of reading/writing skills in Cambodia will continue to depress supply and demand for online services. The customers won't be able to use it anyway. There won't be enough vendors, who will not be able to find staff with basic literacy anyway.

eriksank wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2017 4:24 pm

Jamie_Lambo wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2017 3:18 pmhow many people likely to use the online supermarket are likely going to have bitcoins to pay?

That is a chicken-and-egg problem. If you can pay with bitcoin at an online marketplace in Cambodia, it would beef up demand for bitcoin in the btc-for-cash local market. More traders would be offering them. And then more people would have them too. Wing express would also be a workable local payment option. Wing express does not force anybody to open an account, provide endless amounts of paperwork, such as copies of passports, visas, rental contracts, or to generally enter a master-slave relationship with a bank.

Jamie_Lambo wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2017 3:18 pmwhy would you get an online supermarket to deliver goods from phnom penh to sihanoukville when there is already a well established online supermarket already here?

cmbmart.com has a poor assortment. I can't find Dutch gouda cheese or French camembert there. Single-vendor online shops will always have a limited assortment. Someone needs to set up a fully-fledged online multi-vendor marketplace like alibaba or amazon. You can pretty much find anything you could ever want in multivendor marketplaces like amazon.

Jamie_Lambo wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2017 3:18 pm ... plus why wait for you grocerys when you could just pop to the local supermarket, sihanoukville is small and not plagued with traffic it takes me 2 minutes to get to the supermarket if i need something ...

It would allow me to get some kind of monthly (or even three-monthly) shopping list delivered to the house. If I happen to run out of supplies during the month, I would just pick it up at a local supermarket. You see, local supermarkets barely cater to foreign tastes. For example, I like to eat things like this:



cmbmart.com obviously doesn't carry it. The superette on Victory Hill carries it, though. There are so many products that one, single vendor will never have.

But then again, the general lack of reading/writing skills in Cambodia will continue to depress supply and demand for online services. The customers won't be able to use it anyway. There won't be enough vendors, who will not be able to find staff with basic literacy anyway.

why would they stock such niche items? when the demand is so small? this is cambodia, not the western world, if you want some cassoulet au canard la belle chaurienne jump on ya bloody motorbike and take a drive up victory hill, takes 10 minutes from the lions and 5 minutes from downtown, or give a moto driver some bit-coins and he will go for you...

Jamie_Lambo wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2017 4:36 pm

eriksank wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2017 4:24 pm For example, I like to eat things like this:

why would they stock such niche items? when the demand is so small? this is cambodia, not the western world, if you want some cassoulet au canard la belle chaurienne jump on ya bloody motorbike and take a drive up victory hill, takes 10 minutes from the lions and 5 minutes from downtown, or give a moto driver some bit-coins and he will go for you...

Thats why I live in Chroy Changvar, next to the Mekong river, very quiet, like living in the province almost but in 5 - 10 minutes I can be at Thai Huat. They have a great collection of cheese, wine, meat etc. and also cassoulet au canard.

Jamie_Lambo wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2017 4:36 pmwhy would they stock such niche items?

That is indeed rather Amazon's business model. A multi-vendor online marketplace does indeed allow every vendor to specialize in his niche items.

Jamie_Lambo wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2017 4:36 pm... when the demand is so small? this is cambodia, not the western world ...

This is Sihanoukville, not Bangkok or Kuala Lumpur. Thailand certainly has its multi-vendor online marketplaces too.

Especially China has them. Alibaba, Aliexpress, Taobao, ... It is China that has the largest and most advanced multi-vendor online marketplaces, the only exception being Amazon, who only entered the multivendor market because otherwise Alibaba would someday outperform them on their own home turf.

People already ship French camembert cheese to Cambodia. Small demand will affect the market if all items in a container must be the same. If there is not enough demand, they will simply not ship such container full of French camembert cheese to Cambodia. Aliexpress, however, will ship the same number of containers but the items in each container will all be different. That is why in an efficient supply chain, it does not cost much more to ship just one piece of French camembert cheese than to ship an entire container of them. It requires decentralized and highly automated operations, however. It is really a question of waiting for a Uber of shipping to begin operating. Alibaba say that they will take over global shipping. Shipping as it exists today cannot last for much longer. But then again, the existing losers will then ask for new regulations to stop this new Uber from eating their lunch. So, there is also a political problem attached.

eriksank wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2017 5:36 pm

Jamie_Lambo wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2017 4:36 pmwhy would they stock such niche items?

That is indeed rather Amazon's business model. A multi-vendor online marketplace does indeed allow every vendor to specialize in his niche items.

Jamie_Lambo wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2017 4:36 pm... when the demand is so small? this is cambodia, not the western world ...

This is Sihanoukville, not Bangkok or Kuala Lumpur. Thailand certainly has its multi-vendor online marketplaces too.

Especially China has them. Alibaba, Aliexpress, Taobao, ... It is China that has the largest and most advanced multi-vendor online marketplaces, the only exception being Amazon, who only entered the multivendor market because otherwise Alibaba would someday outperform them on their own home turf.

People already ship French camembert cheese to Cambodia. Small demand will affect the market if all items in a container must be the same. If there is not enough demand, they will simply not ship such container full of French camembert cheese to Cambodia. Aliexpress, however, will ship the same number of containers but the items in each container will all be different. That is why in an efficient supply chain, it does not cost much more to ship just one piece of French camembert cheese than to ship an entire container of them. It requires decentralized and highly automated operations, however. It is really a question of waiting for a Uber of shipping to begin operating. Alibaba say that they will take over global shipping. Shipping as it exists today cannot last for much longer. But then again, the existing losers will then ask for new regulations to stop this new Uber from eating their lunch. So, there is also a political problem attached.

you should really start this multivendor market, you know what youre doing, get on it, why you stalling?

Jamie_Lambo wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2017 7:59 amyou should really start this multivendor market, you know what youre doing, get on it, why you stalling?

I wrote the source code -- still maintaining it actually -- for a quite private invitation-only online multivendor market with escrow in bitcoin, but I don't run it. That is why I ended up owning so many bitcoins over the years. The software is very similar in features to Bitwasp. We don't publish the software, though.

Running a market is a seriously different job from writing its software. I am not sure that I want to do that. I really like writing code. Dealing with support tickets about deals gone awry? Judging and adjudicating in disputes? Dunno. You really got to like doing that. It is not even sure that you'll make more money by running the market than just writing the software, certainly not for smaller markets.

So, no, professionally, I stick to doing things that revolve around provability and computability. Furthermore, I am loaded already. So, why would I bother stepping out of my comfort zone?

eriksank wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2017 12:12 pm

Jamie_Lambo wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2017 7:59 amyou should really start this multivendor market, you know what youre doing, get on it, why you stalling?

I wrote the source code -- still maintaining it actually -- for a quite private invitation-only online multivendor market with escrow in bitcoin, but I don't run it. That is why I ended up owning so many bitcoins over the years. The software is very similar in features to Bitwasp. We don't publish the software, though.

Running a market is a seriously different job from writing its software. I am not sure that I want to do that. I really like writing code. Dealing with support tickets about deals gone awry? Judging and adjudicating in disputes? Dunno. You really got to like doing that. It is not even sure that you'll make more money by running the market than just writing the software, certainly not for smaller markets.

So, no, professionally, I stick to doing things that revolve around provability and computability. Furthermore, I am loaded already. So, why would I bother stepping out of my comfort zone?

fair one lol