New moto article from AE86

OrangeDragon · Post by **OrangeDragon** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 9:19 am

Big thanks to AE86 for writing and posting a new article for us, "Suzuki or Honda? Which one should you buy?"

AE86 · Post by **AE86** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 12:56 pm

Just heads up, a lot of these in the Cars and Motorbikes section are going to be reposts from K440. They aren't polished and edited yet, but the info is there.

indigo_design · Post by **indigo_design** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 1:34 pm

Yamaha

clippy · Post by **clippy** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 2:19 pm

AE86 its nice to have you back.

do you think honda phantom is a bike worth buying, if you want a bigger bike than a scooter?

AE86 · Post by **AE86** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:32 pm

I have mixed feelings on the Phantom. To me personally, it's too low and also too unbalanced. The tail has a tendency to break loose easily in a moderate turn or low traction situation which can be a bit unwelcome to newcomers to bikes. Also, parts are "expensive" compared to "regular" bikes.

I'd never own a Phantom as a first choice here, but it's by no means a bad bike. Based on the 230 motor which is fairly solid and doesn't use any fancy engine management systems, etc.

indigo_design wrote:Yamaha

Yeah, my first choice too actually, but Yamahas are relatively obscure here

so I never did a comparison.

StroppyChops · Post by **StroppyChops** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:37 pm

I know you were asking AE86 specifically, but a comment from the sideline. The Phantom is a 230cc copy of the Honda VT250C which has the lowest legal seat height in Australia. If you are not familiar with low-riders, I would not start out with this one, you'll do yourself a mischief in the first decent pothole you encounter. The centre of gravity is too low, and therefore the turning circle is too large, to be able to respond to the traffic here quickly enough to stay out of trouble. Just my 100r worth.

Edit: you have to get these bikes up to a reasonable cruise before the handling stabilises, not something that happens too frequently in PP.

Garry.Crabtree · Post by **Garry.Crabtree** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:26 pm

I don’t ride either (Vespa) but just wanted to say well done for an excellent report.

Well done Sir

AE86 · Post by **AE86** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 9:43 pm

StroppyChops wrote:I know you were asking AE86 specifically, but a comment from the sideline. The Phantom is a 230cc copy of the Honda VT250C which has the lowest legal seat height in Australia. If you are not familiar with low-riders, I would not start out with this one, you'll do yourself a mischief in the first decent pothole you encounter. The centre of gravity is too low, and therefore the turning circle is too large, to be able to respond to the traffic here quickly enough to stay out of trouble. Just my 100r worth.

Edit: you have to get these bikes up to a reasonable cruise before the handling stabilises, not something that happens too frequently in PP.

200cc actually, at least if we were talking about the TA200 (which I'm not sure we were).

Either or, all good points raise though, completely agree. Saw a hardtail Harley today and couldn't help but wonder...why?

StroppyChops · Post by **StroppyChops** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 9:54 pm

I left my Honda Shadow ACE at home (well, sold it) and have had the opportunity to buy a couple here, but it just doesn't make sense - too heavy for the roads and riding conditions, too many idiots coming out of side streets on their motos and on the phone.

OrangeDragon · Post by **OrangeDragon** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 1:05 am

i'm on the other side. i still loved my phantom when i was there. almost never had to do any work on it (in fact only 1 time when the starter went out), cops got out of it's way, and it had good pickup speeds for accelerating out of messy situations. and a super comfy ride compared to the scooters, especially for a passenger.

and i always have preferred a low center of gravity on a bike. tall bikes freak me out.

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