Samouth wrote: Actually in our NGO, we have a really strict policy. You can't bring your friends or family members or relative to work in the organization no matter how powerful your position is. Moreover, if you are working now with us, you relatives or family member can't work with you. No matter how great the knowledge and experience that your relative or family member have. Their applications will be automatically disqualified. .

In which case report her to head office.

vladimir wrote:Samouth, you need to report this to the Board of Directors

juansweetpotato wrote:

Samouth wrote: Actually in our NGO, we have a really strict policy. You can't bring your friends or family members or relative to work in the organization no matter how powerful your position is. Moreover, if you are working now with us, you relatives or family member can't work with you. No matter how great the knowledge and experience that your relative or family member have. Their applications will be automatically disqualified. .

In which case report her to head office.

Actually i am capable to do this, but the thing is that my supervisor didn't want the problem goes further. She wanted it to finish at this point. She is happy to leave as the vibe of the organisation completely changed from the minute we had new country director. We both don't enjoy working here any more. I resigned just a day after my supervisor fired.

I call bullshit for the company rules. They would have known all about change of management and so must have fully endorsed the appointment in the first place.

juansweetpotato wrote:I call bullshit for the company rules. They would have known all about change of management and so must have fully endorsed the appointment in the first place.

It is an Christian organisation ( a non-profit NGO) not a company. Actually we didn't realise about the change of management until the day she came to work alongside the previous country director in Phnom Penh office ( where we are working). I think it was the handover. She (current CD) was a program director.

Samouth wrote:I will have a new boss soon who is a pinay. She has been working in the NGO (that i am currently working with) about 4 years now and lately she has been promoted as Country Director. She will not handle the works and the position of Country Director unitil March, meanwhile she has already brought another pinay to work into our NGO. i wondered why did she bother to bring someone all the way from The Philippine to work in Cambodia while there are so many potencial staffs in the NGO that should have been promoted for that position. However, my doubt sovled today. Actually she ( my future Country Director) know that person ( the new pinay staff). They know each other so well.

Now you see how your own country works?

Bitte_Kein_Lexus wrote:

Samouth wrote:I will have a new boss soon who is a pinay. She has been working in the NGO (that i am currently working with) about 4 years now and lately she has been promoted as Country Director. She will not handle the works and the position of Country Director unitil March, meanwhile she has already brought another pinay to work into our NGO. i wondered why did she bother to bring someone all the way from The Philippine to work in Cambodia while there are so many potencial staffs in the NGO that should have been promoted for that position. However, my doubt sovled today. Actually she ( my future Country Director) know that person ( the new pinay staff). They know each other so well.

Now you see how your own country works?

Slightly. What i do aware of is that local staff are not really valued in almost every where throughout the country.

There is a joke related to this that i always talked to my friends. We all have TEFL degree and this joke really discouraged us sometime.

" There was a student who only wanted to study with native speaker. He would complain a lots if any khmer teachers were assigned to teach in his class. So, during his time at college, he only studied with native speaker. No doubt, he has a perfect English, not to mention, his pronunciation is awesome. However, he couldn't get a teaching job anywhere as those schools only recruit native speakers since their students want to study exclusively with native speaker".

prahkeitouj wrote:It can happen everywhere.

It can and does happen anywhere, it's a part of life I've come to find out.

Obviously there's sometimes reasons for it. i.e. I trust my younger brother a lot more than most people because I can vouch for his character. I know how he works, I know how quick he is (and slow) in certain subjects and tasks, and I get along with him (usually). I can't say that about other workers...not that they're more qualified or not, I just don't know them, and hiring them to find out isn't always a fun thing (or best for business) in the long run.

Samouth wrote: Slightly. What i do aware of is that local staff are not really valued in almost every where throughout the country.

There is a joke related to this that i always talked to my friends. We all have TEFL degree and this joke really discouraged us sometime.

" There was a student who only wanted to study with native speaker. He would complain a lots if any khmer teachers were assigned to teach in his class. So, during his time at college, he only studied with native speaker. No doubt, he has a perfect English, not to mention, his pronunciation is awesome. However, he couldn't get a teaching job anywhere as those schools only recruit native speakers since their students want to study exclusively with native speaker".

Just because you have a TEFL degree doesn't make you a native speaker. In Vietnam for more than two years now, the government has made a law stating that every school child in Vietnam will have at least one native English speaker giving instruction in their English class. They have done this for a good reason. They also don't want foreigners taking what are seen as local jobs, and also hate the fact that they get higher wages even if they do rip them off on prices. Why is the question to ask yourself.
I suspect it may also be they choose foreigners because they are cheaper.

The thing is that the value of an individual to a company doesn't just depend on a single skill set. Speaking English? That's a bare minimum skill for working international business, NGO, etc. it's not the advanced skill set that brings in the bucks or good jobs.

The trouble here is that the base education system is complete garbage. The school and university system does nothing to prepare people to actually work. There is a distinct laissez-faire approach to work, (as evidenced in previous posts about quitting during an apprenticeship and resigning just because your supervisor has been fired, etc.), across Asia. This is, by and large, accounted for by the low cost of labour - you just throw more bodies at a project and it still works out cheaper than hiring a foreigner.

Yet, in some cases - this makes no sense. There are jobs, like project management, where more bodies actually degrades the process and makes it slower not faster. There are others like commercial training, IT development, UX design, engineering, etc. where expertise itself commands a premium. Because many Asian workers simply will not put in the effort to justify the massive development budgets required for these skillsets... the jobs end up in foreign hands. And so on, and so on...

There's no quick fix. Cambodia's education system needs an expensive and effective overhaul which will take decades to implement. Until then, only the most committed and hard-working and adaptable locals are going to make it far enough up the career ladder to earn positions through merit. Many will get there through nepotism mind you and then rankle when the foreign "helper" they are assigned basically does their job - while they get a title and some pay and very little respect within their field.

juansweetpotato wrote:

Samouth wrote: Slightly. What i do aware of is that local staff are not really valued in almost every where throughout the country.

There is a joke related to this that i always talked to my friends. We all have TEFL degree and this joke really discouraged us sometime.

" There was a student who only wanted to study with native speaker. He would complain a lots if any khmer teachers were assigned to teach in his class. So, during his time at college, he only studied with native speaker. No doubt, he has a perfect English, not to mention, his pronunciation is awesome. However, he couldn't get a teaching job anywhere as those schools only recruit native speakers since their students want to study exclusively with native speaker".

Just because you have a TEFL degree doesn't make you a native speaker. In Vietnam for more than two years now, the government has made a law stating that every school child in Vietnam will have at least one native English speaker giving instruction in their English class. They have done this for a good reason. They also don't want foreigners taking what are seen as local jobs, and also hate the fact that they get higher wages even if they do rip them off on prices. Why is the question to ask yourself.
I suspect it may also be they choose foreigners because they are cheaper.

I was not claiming that we are native speaker because we have TEFL degree, however we were trained to be a professional teacher of English. We learned a lot of about teaching methodology and we did a lot of practicums. We all are capable to teach. Personally i believe that we know more about teaching English than most backpacker who just teach for a few months to save up money to continue their travelling destinations. The moral of that joke is to persuade Cambodians students to appreciate their khmer teachers. There are a lot of stereotype about khmer teacher. Students always thought that khmer teachers are not good. They would have really bad accent if they study with khmer teacher. I think i wrote this at least two or three times here. I have never studied with native speaker. Most of my professors were Cambodian, but they all have master degree and most of them got it from abroad. However, i have to agree with the fact that native speaker could help student a lot with pronunciation and how to speak proper English, but one thing that most Cambodian student misunderstand is that they believe they would learn quick with native speaker. Speaking from my experience, in order to get the most of the lesson with native speaker, student needs to have a certain amount of English knowledge to be able to understand what teacher is saying. Imagine, if you were in a class for 1 hour and you only got 20 percent of what your teacher was saying the whole time. Which one is better, if it was a khmer teacher, you could ask him or her in khmer. Then, when you have built up a certain amount of English knowledge, you can study with native speaker to improve your speaking and pronunciation. Therefore, both khmer and native teachers are equally essential.